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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 12:29 pm |
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| Cracker- I will have to say I always considered not killing my kids very positive. Lord knows when they were young there were many, many times when it would have been considered justifiable homicide.
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 12:46 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: I will have to say I always considered not killing my kids very positive. Lord knows when they were young there were many, many times when it would have been considered justifiable homicide.
When my kids were growing up (they ain't finished yet, but neither am I) and they did the dumb things that I did when I was their age, I thought of killing them too. However, I always thought my defense would have been "assisted suicide". I figured the things they were doing was gonna kill them, I could speed the process up a bit. Fortunately, luck and the amazing grace of God kept them here if for no other reason than to serve as my own personal gray hair generators. 
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 01:11 pm |
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| Okay, I have to tell a little story on Scuba Jane. I once went to kindergarten and when the teacher (a dear friend of my Mom's) asked what happened at my house for the weekend I simply stated that my Mom had chased me with a broom and then locked me out of the house. Of course I left out the part that we had been down at the creek and thought it was appropriate to run across her freshly mopped floors with my muddy tennis shoes, but who would of thought that was important anyway.
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 01:24 pm |
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Ya'll are so funny.
Macca, My kids don't normally watch Cartoons in the morning.... We usually have the news on which is a real incentive for any kid to get out of the house  . Since Roy left Fox 8  though, I haven't been as regular with my news watching and didn't turn it on this morning. (You and I watched the Oscars after all and that's all they were gonna talk about....)
Anyway, Wheat Thin saw that the TV wasn't being used so she just turned it on to kill a few minutes. Unfortunately it was the same few minutes that it took for the bus to sneak past our house....
C'est la vie!
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 01:24 pm |
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| Hairbrush you sound like someone we know that only tells half the story........
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 01:32 pm |
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I heard that Pappy was gonna be tied up today so he probably won't be around much.
You're just gonna have to get your biscuit from somewhere else Mr. Mike. Don't go to the Grill though. I tried that and they're CLOSED on Monday and Tuesday mornings! Arggggh!
Hurry back Pappy!!!!
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 10:35 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Jim Flynt wrote: macca wrote: Is it all that unusual to have anonymous postings on a forum such as this? I believe, in fact, that many actually instruct you when you log on not to include your full name....
That's just a good excuse isn't it?
No, saying it's just an excuse is not the whole reason.
There are people in the world, who enjoy hacking activities, and try to trace anonymous names back to the very computer they are logged onto.
If people have this much free time, and go to this much trouble, then the user has to be concerned about what other lengths the hacker is going to go to. Some think hackers are intelligent computer geeks, I think they are unbalanced people with too much free time on their hands.
Hackers fall into that general category spammers fall into, ie irresponsible behavior to hurt others.
Steve, I have wrestled with your comments all day today, trying to understand your logic and what you're really saying above. I still think as I said before, that Macca's reasons really are nothing more than a good excuse.
It seems to me, that those of us with the courage to use our real names such as Jane Doggett, Vicki Lawrence, Patti and Sandra, Alicia C., yourself and I, would be just as vulnerable to the hackers you discuss as anyone posting anonymously.
So where is the real threat? Obviously from reading your comments, either those posting anonymously are safe and secure from hackers while the rest of us are are more vulnerable, or vice versa. As a third alternative, the risk from hackers would be equal whether one posts anonymously or not, in which case, anonymity just becomes the good excuse proffered.
Even more obviously, if the real threat and potential damage to joining or posting to the Northwest Observer Forum is as severe, real and dire as you seem to suggest, perhaps any potential new members should be warned to seriously consider not joining and perhaps, some of us should even consider dropping out (depending on whether real threats exist for either/or anonymous or named posters).
I have been a regular user of the Internet and various forums for around 10 years now and have many friends who have done likewise, and I have yet to have had my computer hacked nor am I aware of friends who have either. I concur that it can and does happen, but I'm not sure that the threat isn't greatly over stated. All the more so, when most Internet users use some form of firewall and other security software for protection.
Again, I simply don't understand the greater threat that anonymous posters would be exposed to and then how some greater level of protection is provided by posting anonymously than would extend to those of us with greater courage who use our real names are not.
Any clarification to your earlier post would be appreciated.
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 10:46 pm |
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| Just curious, Jim. I know you addressed above comments to SMS, but others are reading as well... and you and I were initially discussing this.... On all these other forums you've partcipated in, have you never posted anonymously? Have all the participants in all these other forums been known entities to everyone?
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Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 11:27 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Just because I don't know these people on this forum does not mean their thoughts and ideas are invalid. I don't know Raspberry, Editor Johnson, or Jerry Bledsoe but they have excellent thoughts sometimes and not so excellent points other times but because I don't know them doesn't change that fact.
Jane, while you may not 'know' Raspberry, Johnson and Bledsoe in the classical sense, the distinction is they don't post or publish anonymously, and they do have the courage to use their real names in their postings and publication. And in doing so, this allows any reader to understand whatever background, education, experience, bias and/or self interest in a topic they might bring to or exhibit in posting their professional opinions.
I admire that you use your real name and are not afraid for the world to see that you're willing to stand up for the words and beliefs you espouse. Likewise, so do Vicki, Patti, Sandra, Alicia, Steve, Mike, myself and a small handful of others, and for the life of me, I simply can't understand why the others posting anonymously don't have the same courage? What do they have to hide? I am of the opinion that most folks don't take anonymous posters and anonymous posts as seriously as they do those emanating from real people with the courage of their convictions. Real people not afraid to stand up for what they believe and not cowards in owning their words and actions.
To me, it is simply a matter of accepting personal responsibility for one's words, deeds and actions. And I have the greatest appreciation for those with the courage who do instead of those who rather cowardly cower behind their rocks of anonymity.
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Posted: Feb 27th, 2007 01:26 am |
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Jim I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I have absolutely no problem with folks who wish to remain anomous. Maybe they are living out a fantasy such as Macca, who maybe flunked 9th grade Algebra, so on this forum we view her as the math person. ( Wait a minute I think it was 10th grade and I flunked geometry). Macca I am just using this as an example I know you were a math whiz in high school and college.
I just don't understand why knowing somebodys name makes their convictions more believable. Look at Ted Bundy who is shown in pictures with Rosalyn Carter at the White House. The estimate is he killed 80 women. He appeared, to all who lived to tell it I guess, to be a most believable person. Besides my name what do you know about me as a person that makes my thoughts any more believeable and trustworthy than say Pappy?
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Posted: Feb 27th, 2007 01:41 am |
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Thank you, Jane! It's nice to see you practice what you preach! ("Do something nice for someone today!")
BTW: I have my Doctorate in Quantam Physics and a Masters in Statistics!!
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Posted: Feb 27th, 2007 01:44 am |
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Oh, yeah, Jane....Forgot to add: Ignore our latest "member" -- It's a spammer!
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Posted: Feb 27th, 2007 01:57 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: I just don't understand why knowing somebodys name makes their convictions more believable. Look at Ted Bundy who is shown in pictures with Rosalyn Carter at the White House. The estimate is he killed 80 women. He appeared, to all who lived to tell it I guess, to be a most believable person. Jane, that is a specious argument. We all know a multitude of people out there in the real world of meeting folks face to face in real time. Most good and some bad. To compare those real people with anonymous names who exist only as names on a screen or the type written page is more akin to comparing apples and oranges. You'll have to admit it is much easier to size up the other fellow in person than it is through only their writings. Besides my name what do you know about me as a person that makes my thoughts any more believeable and trustworthy than say Pappy?
My comments are in answer to your question, without a comparison to 'Pappy' but with a more general comparison to any anonymous user/poster.
Obviously, the first thing I would know is that you have the courage to stand up and stand behind your words, and by sharing your real persona, you also stand up and stand behind your actions. That reflects not only your courage, but that you have nothing whatsoever to hide. Including an exposure of whatever bias or self interest or conflicts of interests in what are obviously some vital topics of great import to our Northwest communities. There are dozens of other things we know from your sharing but the most glaring already mentioned should suffice as a reason to not cower behind anonymity.
We also know by your posting under your real name, that you're not a 3rd grader pretending to be an adult, or a convicted felon, or a scam artist or registered sex offender, or any number of other possibilities any of which could violate our safety and present the kinds of risk that Steve mentioned. And while these may seem like extreme examples, such individuals have been documented and reported in the news to have visited other similar sites where they posted anonymously.
My comments about anonymity reflect not only my own views, but the views of so many others who I have invited to join this forum, and who have refused for the simple reason of the anonymity and anonymous posters.
In the end, I simply don't understand the lack of courage nor whatever fear those who cower in cowardice must have. What is it they truly have to hide?
Last edited on Feb 27th, 2007 02:11 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Feb 27th, 2007 02:05 am |
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| What I don't understand is why this issue is suddenly so important to you, Jim....
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Posted: Feb 27th, 2007 02:22 am |
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| Wow! 5 guests, 4 members.... Come on and join in the fun, guests!♥♥♥
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