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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 03:08 pm |
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| Pappy's too busy to post right now, but count me in!
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 09:29 pm |
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Patti & Sandra
Thanks for being the voice of reason in an emotionally charged subject. The tactic of finding common ground is the right one, even if circumstances make it impossible.
I think I can safety say, the CC's are not going to join us on this forum. I'd also welcome any of them, and guarantee them the same level of rigorous moderating as the candidates forum.
Why not extend an invitation to the CC's to meet those on the forum who wish to participante in a face to face meeting? Meet in a neutral location, bring in an outside moderator, establish the code of conduct in advance, establish the questions in advance......you get the idea.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:01 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Patti & Sandra
Thanks for being the voice of reason in an emotionally charged subject. The tactic of finding common ground is the right one, even if circumstances make it impossible.
I think I can safety say, the CC's are not going to join us on this forum. I'd also welcome any of them, and guarantee them the same level of rigorous moderating as the candidates forum.
Why not extend an invitation to the CC's to meet those on the forum who wish to participante in a face to face meeting? Meet in a neutral location, bring in an outside moderator, establish the code of conduct in advance, establish the questions in advance......you get the idea.
One of the finest resources in the world for just exactly what you seem to be describing is located right smack dab right next to Summerfield: the Center for Creative Leadership over off Highway 220 at Laurinda Drive. They have the resources, talent, skill and experience with just this very type of situation and it is worth consideration.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:27 pm |
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| The Town council tried to set up the same sort of meeting with the help of PCOG as moderators and were coldly told no. Becky advised the cc's would not considerit.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:42 pm |
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Good idea on the common ground thing Patti, however, I agree with SMS that none of them will ever come to the forum to discuss rationally what they want to see for our future for the following reasons:
Because I don't believe any of them have any vision or idea of what they'd like to see happen in Summerfield.... for them, there is no future, only the past.
I don't believe there are enough of them to balance out the numbers they'd be up against on the forum.... even if we do promise to be NICE.
The only thing they have to say is that they don't want a tax and the current council is dishonest and once that's said, they really have no other points to make.
Because none of them read the forum and won't even know that they are invited (wink wink). 
I really don't think I'd have any interest in READING their opinions anyway, because they are usually rambling, accusatory and covered up in statutes and legalities that are frankly, just boring.
Jim's suggestion is excellent, but I think Jane is correct. They have stated that they aren't interested in compromising and if one or two of them did show up, I would fear that anything that any of us said to them would be twisted, mangled and misconstrued so badly in their next mailing or laying on the table at the next council meeting with a big ol' red "F-" scrawled across the top.
I think you summed it up best when you wrote the comment below, Patti.
EditorPS wrote:
The problem I continue to wrestle with is, I feel that the CCs want to fight a battle a lot more than they want to work as a team for the betterment of the town.
I really have tried to see their points and the few good ones that I've run across are quickly forgotten or buried in their disparaging rhetoric.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:51 pm |
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| Becky slamming the door shut to a moderated meeting of the minds is very unfortunate for all. I would like to think that talking your differences out at a round table gathering would bring some understanding to both sides... well, at least this is suppose to be what should come out of this kind of experience. Maybe, now that time has passed Becky & the CCs will reconsider. I hope so.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:53 pm |
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| ... but, you are probably right CJ, it won't happen Last edited on Nov 19th, 2006 11:56 pm by Skiddles
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 12:02 am |
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I didn't mean to be such a negative nabob, they just bring that out in me.....
If it did happen, I'd do my best to be there.
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 12:29 am |
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| Not a nattering nabob of negativity I hope!!
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 01:03 am |
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| My white flag was halfway up after reading Patti's post. Then I remembered being told that we wouldn't (couldn't?) understand their views. The air of superiority that surrounds some of the CCs rankles most people. It willnot be easy to forget the lies and half-truths; the attempt to tarnish reputations; and the lack of respect for volunteers, fellow council members, and anyone else who doesn't bow to their demands. BUT...perhaps a cautious truce via the forum could be a small step toward understanding on both sides. After a time we might even find a common ground, however shaky, to build trust and a respect for differing opinions.
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 01:08 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: The Town council tried to set up the same sort of meeting with the help of PCOG as moderators and were coldly told no. Becky advised the cc's would not considerit.
Well..........my thoughts would be, put the opportunity out there, set the date & time. We cannot remain ham strung because a very few individuals won't cooperate.
Let's show up. If the CC's show, fine. If they no-show, then their stance is known (and probably their numbers), and the meeting changes to the organization of a Pro-Summerfield effort, as suggested by Sandra & Jane earlier.
We've got to get our town back on track, get over the ugliness of the past, and think forward. Vision ==> Future.
Were it not for the CC's, we'd probably have a large park, a new town hall, a defined Town Core Concept, a plan for affordable housing in Summerfield. We're losing opportunities.
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 01:53 am |
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Steve's makin' sense.
You gonna moderate this meetin' too Steve-O?
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 02:24 am |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Let's show up. If the CC's show, fine. If they no-show, then their stance is known (and probably their numbers), and the meeting changes to the organization of a Pro-Summerfield effort, as suggested by Sandra & Jane earlier.
We've got to get our town back on track, get over the ugliness of the past, and think forward. Vision ==> Future.
Were it not for the CC's, we'd probably have a large park, a new town hall, a defined Town Core Concept, a plan for affordable housing in Summerfield. We're losing opportunities.
Vision ==> Future
If they show, GREAT! If not...Their actions will speak loud and clear.
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 12:23 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
Steve's makin' sense.
You gonna moderate this meetin' too Steve-O?
If the CC's show, then no, we should have a neutral moderator who doesn't know this forum exists, or anything written in it.
If they no show, it would be an honor to moderate or facilitate the Organization meeting.
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Posted: Nov 20th, 2006 12:23 pm |
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A summit meetin' makes sense to me, Steve. I'll see if I can get a quorum o' Pappies so it won't be a illegal meetin'. (I'm tryin' to get all the jabs out o' my system before we meet. I've figgered out that hair on top o' my haid might really be a fuse...)
Should we have some ground rules before we meet? Such as, no name callin', no accusations without facts to back it up. No water boarding. Tapin' the meetin' will be OK. It's up to whoever to make sure you have a means to tape if they want.
Will Steve moderate or participate? Who will moderate otherwise? Are there any volunteer groups that might be available to moderate?
Should each side submit written questions beforehand? (...before hand-to-hand combat ensues...Pappy!) Aww. Well, how about who will keep minutes?
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