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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 02:24 am |
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I have seen good facilitators do wonderful things.
Jane, on this point we can agree. Like you, I have seen some very difficult and challenging political situations completely disarmed and some wonderful unions created from quite fractious parties of greatly different interests by way of the talents of some highly skilled facilitators. Their skills were almost magical to watch and unless one has been exposed to a facilitated meeting, there is no way to adequately describe the experience and process in words.
The key was good facilitators as you mentioned. Trained for that purpose with the skills, demeanor and experience to engender trust from both sides, respect for the differences within the groups, and the focus to lead vastly differing groups to a recognition of their common interests within a framework and process which enhances rather than impedes communication of differing ideas, perspectives and experiences.
I have last night and again today, shared some suggestions to both Steve Atkins and Patti Stokes, in hopefully helping to find the best facilitator possible to assist in a proposed meeting with the other side, should they be willing to sit down and communicate.
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 02:33 am |
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| All we can do is try I suppose. Thanks for the discussion tonight. Your prespective is appreciated.
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 02:52 am |
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Jane, please don't take my comments as negative or see them as poo pooing your ideas or throwing cold water on either of the two meetings being proposed. While I wholeheartedly endorse the first meeting you describe, I am and have been trying to get everyone to more narrowly focus on the purpose of the second meeting being proposed while also trying to steer you to some objective or objectives which is/are meaningful, measurable and attainable.
I have only the highest respect and regard for your experience, knowledge, contributions and goodness of heart and purpose. You have and continue to serve so unselfishly your community and your community of friends and no amount of praise could ever equal what you deserve for your acts of kindness and humanity toward others.
I'll be happy to write your speeches any time if you promise not to kill the messenger when we step on toes with message some times.
Last edited on Nov 21st, 2006 02:55 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 03:04 am |
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| Under no circumstances do I view your ideas as negative. I am realistic enough to realize I am very negative about the possibilities of good coming out of the second meeting. I hope Patti and Steve are sucessful in pursuing the meeting and I will, if invited, come with as open a mind as I can manage. Thanks for the good thought provoking conversation.
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 05:05 am |
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| I think a meeting would be a grand idea.
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 12:14 pm |
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Wow! Really good thought-provokin' comments. Unfortunately Pappy's bein' work-provoked right now an' ain't able to add much to the discussion.
Y'all keep it goin' an' ol' Pappy'll jump in directly, soon's I get this batch corked.
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 11:00 pm |
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| Mr Jim, yer ol' Pappy ain't ignorin' you. I keep pluggin' some ponderin' into the coin slot an' pullin' the lever, but all I get is three lemons.
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Posted: Nov 21st, 2006 11:20 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Mr Jim, yer ol' Pappy ain't ignorin' you. I keep pluggin' some ponderin' into the coin slot an' pullin' the lever, but all I get is three lemons.
An Ode To Pappy
I hasten not to chasten
Your lack of machination
Knowing your constitution
You'll offer up solution
With rhetorical proclamation
Last edited on Nov 22nd, 2006 12:59 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Nov 22nd, 2006 09:20 pm |
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| The two new members obviously have an agenda. Serve as obstructionist in an effort to not spend money or inprove the town in any manner. That is not the intention or objective of Goverment no matter what your politics is. How anyone could not see the value of parks, recreation areas, volunteer service is beyond me! Growth is inevitable, but it can and should be managed. By adapting a no change at all cost, we all lose bigtime in the end because the growth will be inposed upon us with no say in the matter.
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Posted: Nov 23rd, 2006 12:38 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
An Ode To Pappy
I hasten not to chasten
Your lack of machination
Knowing your constitution
You'll offer up solution
With rhetorical proclamation
Hee hee!
The problem seems quite whoppin'
As my razor I keep stroppin'
Hopin' idees will start poppin'
But as yet, ain't nuthin' hoppenin'!
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Posted: Nov 27th, 2006 04:21 pm |
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Well, I seem to have gotten an email from Dwayne again. With all that spare time he has, he has figured out who I am on the board. Oh my goodness, he is so right. I am Beth Kaplan. Proud daughter of former council woman Jane Doggett. I will continue to use my user name because I happen to love it and think nothing wrong of using a different name on a public bulletin board, but I am tired of being harassed about my user name. Here is the email that was sent to me and my answer. Sorry it is so long. I did take out some email addresses and some work information.
Yeah Dwayne, I am so glad to know that you are so efficient with your council duties that you have time to look through all those forum postings so that you can discover who I am. Kudos to you!!!!! What makes me angry, besides getting unsolicited emails to my work computer, is that you think I am hiding behind this user name so that I can make inaccurate and deceptive comments on the board. As you stated, I have hardly had any trouble sending an editorial to the Northwest Observer or standing in front of the Council to let them know my thoughts on things. I guess sending out flyers during an election with misinformation (like a 2.2 million dollar amphitheatre) or putting that same information on a table at a council meeting is the honorable way to get your agenda across. Now I am not saying that you directly did these things but you are a founding member of the Concerned Citizens and Gail Dunham is the president of said organization. I know that you stated that you were no longer a member but your name still appears as the contact person on the website and you have really given no real reason on why you are no longer a member. And if campaign contributions from the Concerned Citizens could be made public I am sure I would see your name as one of the ones they contributed money.
But back to the inaccurate and deceptive way information, in your opinion, is put on the forum. It is a forum, which by definition means it is a public discussion group. A lot of times these forums are used to discuss politics. You have been asked to participate and have chosen not to and THAT is your decision. In case you forgot, you decided to run for the Summerfield Town Council. You managed to be elected and thus you are up for discussion. You make decisions that affect the town, like it is too political to let a town member put up “Welcome to Summerfield” signs, but instead let it become a government function. Well I have yet to see a town sign. Or how about not wanting to waste the Town’s money by sending Christmas cards to the hard working volunteers and instead you donated the money for the Christmas cards. Well really you didn’t donate the money, it works out that it is about the same as the stipend that you voted for yourself this year. Oh but wait it is okay for the town to use up to $1000 to notify citizens that their garbage pick up is going to go up. Isn’t that for Republic to do? I didn’t think the town itself was paying for garbage. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
Oh but wait, let’s see there seems to be meeting after meeting about the Mayor and his abuse of power, which the Town Attorney has told us again and again that there was no abuse of power. Yet there was no mention of your abuse of power. I certainly consider deciding to post unauthorized information on the Town Website an abuse of power. In fact I consider it unethical. You stated in a previous email that I might want to suppress these documents. I have no desire to suppress these documents I just want the proper channels followed, isn’t that what the concerned citizens are shouting all the time? Don’t they believe that government should follow the proper channels? We have a historical committee that would be happy to make sure the documents that you wanted to post on the webpage are authentic and kept in a place that all town members could read if so wanted. But besides posting these documents on the webpage being unethical now you have broken my trust, I trusted that when the Mayor asked that you be allowed access to the webpage that you would update the minutes, make sure the agenda was updated and make sure the webpage ran smoothly. I never thought you would go to such extremes. What else did you do while you had permission to update the website? Did you sell my information to other entities? Did you change what I needed to pay in taxes? Is that where you got my email address? Can I even trust the new webmaster since you had a part in deciding who should run the webpage?
And let’s talk about why I might not want to talk to you on the phone. First let’s set the record straight. You called twice. And I am sure you called just so you could figure out if I was really Hairbrush. I returned you second call only to never have you call again. I think I might have added on the message that I left you that I would be happy to talk to you at a function or a town meeting. I could be wrong on that, but I am sure that you kept a tape so you can check on it for me. And you know what I don’t think you have yet approached me out in public to discuss anything. I don’t trust that you are not taping my phone call, so I will never talk to you on the phone about any of this. I did feel as a good neighbor and because I was raised correctly that I should return your call and so I did.
I am disgusted by how you have dealt with these things. You made a mistake. Own up to it, but do not try to turn this around from you to me. I did nothing wrong. I joined a public forum and happened to ask some important questions and stated my opinion on some things. Okay, maybe I did make one mistake. I am taking time out of my busy day to reply to your emails, but I am tired of this bullying. I want the public to know this is how one of their council members behaves. He secretly lurks on a forum and spends who know how much time reading through postings to see if he can figure out who everyone is. I will be happy to discuss things with you publicly on the forum. I will be posting under Hairbrush. I happen to like my username. If you had taken the time to get to know me you would know that is what my niece called me when she was little. She couldn’t say Aunt Beth so she said Hairbrush. Of course, if you had bother to talk to me in public you would not have had to read back through all those posting to know that I worked at Camp Seafarer and graduated from NCSU. I am always happy to talk about those things. Shoot I was even in the Peace Corps, imagine that.
Now please remove my email from your email list. You know where to find me and don’t worry. I will be bringing these same points up at the next town meeting. See I have never hid behind my username.
Beth Kaplan
From: Dwayne Crawford
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:55 AM
To: Beth Kaplan
Subject: Re: [Fwd: flyer]
Beth,
I've given considerable thought to the manner that I should respond to last correspondence.
Referring to the attached document, lets begin with how I know your pseudonym on the forum is "hairbrush"...
- Post date "2006-05-04 14:10:00", hairbrush refers to water study by "Ralph Heath". This reference immediately caught my attention b/c I've had prior occasion to discuss groundwater and Mr. Heath's expertise with your boss, J. Beeson, Jr. Besides you, Jim B., Bill Peterson, and myself, how many people do you think have more than cursory knowledge about Ralph Heath and his work - and of those, who among us would be most likely to post that information on the forum?
- Post date "2006-01-31 12:17:00", hairbrush tells us she worked for many years at Camp Seafarer as horseback riding instructor and eventually worked her way up to director of horseback riding. So too, as did you...
- Post date "2006-09-27 13:03:00", hairbrush talks about catching Paul M. "in a weak moment" and "showing contempt" for same person. Your editorial in Oct. 13 - Oct. 19 edition of NWO echos the same two phrases (among other similarities in writing style, word usage, etc.)
- Post date "2006-09-28 17:32:00", hairbrush says she has a problem with someone thinking they are smarter or better educated than someone else. In same Oct. 13 - Oct. 19 NWO editorial, you similarly question "What allows Mrs. Strickland to assume she is more intelligent than I?"
- Post date "2006-09-28 19:51:00", hairbrush tells us she went to college in Raleigh. I am aware that you graduated from NCSU.
More examples can be given, if you wish, along with supporting documentation.
You've no doubt noted that my response is limited (as much as you're currently aware of) to just you and your sister, Mary. I assure you that no one else has been BCC'd in this correspondence. Why do I not defend myself and lay out what I know to the same people to whom you've inaccurately asserted that I am wrong? I'll let you think on that for a bit...
I wish to respond to your many other points, but I too have to get up for work in the AM. Being extremely self critical of my own writing (therefore slow) doesn't help matters either. Will follow up soon.
Oh, and sorry for calling you so late. I was not aware of your schedule - it won't happen again. Please be aware the one time you did call back, I had assumed you wouldn't (like the time or two before) so I ran out for a pizza - don't think I was here and I purposefully didn't answer your call - I don't even subscribe for caller ID.
Mary, what is my concern with the identities of folks on the forum? Ninety percent of the folks who post are of no concern - its the five to ten percent or so who intentionally post inaccurate or deceptive information and then self-ritiously (sp?) claim their intentions are noble and others who do the same are just plain bad people. That these cowards are doing this only because the NWO provides them the anonymity, I have shared this concern with that paper. Your mother, Mike Stewart, and others who use their real names would not dare post something that is intentionally inaccurate - otherwise they would be held accountable.
Dwayne
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Posted: Nov 27th, 2006 04:46 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: DOGGETTJA wrote:
I have seen good facilitators do wonderful things.
Jane, on this point we can agree. Like you, I have seen some very difficult and challenging political situations completely disarmed and some wonderful unions created from quite fractious parties of greatly different interests by way of the talents of some highly skilled facilitators. Their skills were almost magical to watch and unless one has been exposed to a facilitated meeting, there is no way to adequately describe the experience and process in words.
The key was good facilitators as you mentioned. Trained for that purpose with the skills, demeanor and experience to engender trust from both sides, respect for the differences within the groups, and the focus to lead vastly differing groups to a recognition of their common interests within a framework and process which enhances rather than impedes communication of differing ideas, perspectives and experiences.
I have last night and again today, shared some suggestions to both Steve Atkins and Patti Stokes, in hopefully helping to find the best facilitator possible to assist in a proposed meeting with the other side, should they be willing to sit down and communicate.
Does anybody know how to get in touch with Jimmy Carter? 
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Posted: Nov 27th, 2006 04:49 pm |
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| Oh Jimmy Carter would be perfect.
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Posted: Nov 27th, 2006 04:54 pm |
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Hairbrush wrote:
And if campaign contributions from the Concerned Citizens could be made public I am sure I would see your name as one of the ones they contributed money.
And I wonder what others names would appear on that list?
Beth, I think there are laws which do require groups such as Concerned Citizens to report their contributions and list of contributors.
It might be more than a little interesting to follow the money in this instance and see if the CC's aren't practicing equivocation and deceit with a big smattering of duplicity thrown in.
Perhaps the Northwest Observer staff or one of the interested parties here could explore with the NC Secretary of State's Office and the State Board of Elections as to whether this group is and has been in compliance with the laws of our state?
How can a group espouse and demand clean government when they can't or won't provide open and transparent access to their own political funding and support? Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Inquiring minds want to know. And inquiring minds ARE going to find out.
Last edited on Nov 27th, 2006 05:02 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Nov 27th, 2006 07:30 pm |
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Hairbrush is Pappy's hero! ]
Whatever name you go by, you'll always be Hairbrush to us!
If Monsewer Crawford intended his email to silence an' intimidate, boy was he wrong!
Wrong again!
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