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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 01:35 am |
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SaltyDog wrote: He thinks that skulking around trying to identify anonymous members of this forum will shut us up - Wrong - We're still posting.
And we're not going to slow down.
It's not nearly as hard to post the truth, as it is to twist the truth.
Dwayne, ole' buddy, you just don't know what your missin' not talking to us.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 01:45 am |
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Waytago wrote:
A person has to HAVE some credibility in order to damage it.
Good point, WTG. Pappy got distracted an' was accidentally bein' nice. Sorry, Dwayne, I didn't mean to call you credible.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 01:56 am |
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Starcatchr wrote:
Thank you Pappy and Salty for pointing out the details of the 1996 inc. memo, 'cause some of us might have read just a smattering of it and might have thought in meant no taxes from here to eternity.
Starcatchr, I just think it's a shame one of our duly elected officials has so little respect for himself an' the people he works for that he would stoop to such childish behavior. Is he dumb enough to think we're that dumb? Mebbe with nobody left to deceive he deceived himself.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:01 am |
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SaltyDog wrote:
Let's recap - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. At least he's consistent - Right?
Let me see if I understand you, Salty. Dwayne is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong? Did I get that right? Hee hee!
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:06 am |
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FatPappy wrote: SaltyDog wrote:
Let's recap - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. At least he's consistent - Right?
Let me see if I understand you, Salty. Dwayne is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong? Did I get that right? Hee hee!
Actually Pappy, if you learned how to do genealogical research you would find that one of Dwayne's ancestors was a fairly well known man from China who was always lost and going in the wrong direction. Never stopping to ask directions or checking his road map. His name was D. Wong Whey, a man known to Confucius, who quite appropriately said about him, that bad apples don't fall far from the tree.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:08 am |
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Yep, you got it right Pappy!
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FatPappy
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:51 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
His name was D. Wong Whey, a man known to Confucius, who quite appropriately said about him, that bad apples don't fall far from the tree.
Hee hee! Them bad apples just don't fall far enough from the tree.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 10:56 am |
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FatPappy wrote: SaltyDog wrote:
Let's recap - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. At least he's consistent - Right?
Let me see if I understand you, Salty. Dwayne is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong? Did I get that right? Hee hee!
Your RIGHT Pappy !!!
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:01 am |
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FatPappy wrote: Mebbe with nobody left to deceive he deceived himself.
Good Point Pappy
When nobody else believes a persons deceptions, they can only deceive themselves........and then they start believing their own deceptions, and make more deceptions.
I am not comfortable having someone with these traits representing the wonderful town of Summerfield on the Town Council.
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Waytago
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:15 am |
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Remember that movie with Jim Carey.........Liar Liar, where his kid confused the word "Lawyer" with "Liar" in the classroom.
Seems like we have the same confusion with one member of our TC who thinks sitting behind a desk answering the phones for a few years in a Liar's, I mean Lawyers office gives her an implied license to practice law for the Town.
I prefer to have someone like Attorney Hill, with a sheepskin, to practice the law.
The little comments like "I don't know if it's legal for us to talk about this".........translated "I want to stall this subject, so I'll inject some confusion on something I don't have a clue what I'm talking about"............can easily be answered by asking the licensed experienced attorney at the end of the table, that our tax dollars are paying to render those opinions.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:47 am |
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Steve Adkins wrote:
When nobody else believes a persons lies, they can only lie to themselves........and then they start believing their own lies, and make more lies.
I am not comfortable having someone with these traits representing the wonderful town of Summerfield on the Town Council.
Well put, Steve. Except I don't think we have anybody like that representin' the TOWN. There's somebody like that on the council fer sure, but I have no idee who he represents. It sure ain't the town.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 12:45 pm |
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Okay, I'm going to try to back up here. I'll admit I've had some problems with some of the things said and done by certain council members, and I've pointed them out here and in articles or editorials. Patti and Steve are both citizens and taxpayers of Summerfield, and therefore have a vested interest in this whole scenario so they can say whatever they want -- I don't (other than I feel like it is my job to call things as I see them, even though I know there are some who disagree with my judgment).
All that being said, I'm going to step back here, and as a Moderator, try to moderate. Everything that's been said here begs the question, which Patti and others have already brought out: If these council members don't represent a majority of citizens, who do they represent? And if their tactics aren't acceptable, will a large group of citizens and other council members be willing to stand up in some manner and say so? On the other side of the coin, if they do represent a majority of taxpayers and citizens of Summerfield, will those people be willing to say so?
Granted, such an action on either group's part likely won't silence anyone or stop their tactics if, in fact, they don't want to listen. But at least it will go on record what their constituents think and say.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 01:37 pm |
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Sandra I agree. I for one am ready to join a group to stand up and say we want parks and trails, open space, maybe even PUDS. Don't know enough about them but they certainly sound like something Summerfield could use and are being touted as helping limit sprawl, air polution. I want us to be proactive. I want to stop fighting over 10 year old flyers and start looking forward to impacting positively the lives of people in Summerfield.
Does anybody know of a place we could hold an organizational meeting? Actually the community building is pretty cheap to rent if it comes to that.
I absolutely believe in the right of free speech and in anybodies right to dissent, after all I grew up in the 60's but I am tired of the bulleying and lies being spread as the truth. They are being reported in the newspaper and spread through the community and they do not reflect the true nature of Summerfield.
Are there any business owners out there who would like to join. I think Greensboro's City beautiful is sponsored by business owners and their goal it to present Greensboro in a good light. Summerfield needs something like that.
We need to absolutely stand up enmass and say we want to finish our park. The majority of the people who have answered the surveys have said over and over "we want a place to gather as a community in the park." Don't let Mom stand up there month after month and lie about the ampitheater costing millions. The PartF grant was $500,000 and the matching fund from the Town was the same for phase 1. The Town is now working on the same match for phase 2 which will finish the park. You do the math and if you come up with millions for the ampitheater please let me know how?
We need and want ballfields for our kids to play in. How sad in this wonderful community we have to ration playing time and don't have any soccer fields for our kids.
Now to the all the requests under the Freedom of information act, what has been done with the thousands of pages? Where is all the dishonesty and dirty dealing that the CC's have been screaming about? Where is the corruption that they keep screaming is rampant in this Town. Show me one person who has made millions of dollars or actually any dollars off of a vote they were involved in!!! In my humble opinion until last November which we can now refer to as "Black Tuesday" this town was run by people whose only interest was in protecting the citizens as well as they could under the law, plan for the future and enhancing our community. Boy what a difference a day makes.
So are there folks out there with better organizational skills who have an idea about how to stop the negatively and get this Town back on track. Lets see if we can do something because as a group we can accomplish more.
Boy Sandra you got me rilled up this morning. Keep up the good work!!!
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:23 pm |
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S. Smith wrote: will a large group of citizens and other council members be willing to stand up in some manner and say so? Yes, I'll be glad to......I am a taxpayer in Summerfield, and ready to let some people know I don't like their tactics.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:46 pm |
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Thanks, Sandra, for trying to get us back on track. Those of us who are moderators do have an obligation to be objective, and that's so much more difficult when you have a vested interest in what you're doing. With that said, I've tried in the past and I'll keep trying.
Never have we been more challenged at the Northwest Observer than we have been by the creation of the Concerned Citizens group. In light of all that has transpired over the last year and a half, there are many times when we have reminded ourselves that our job is to report and not instigate. We have over and over again committed to being professional and fair, even when it has been very, very difficult. If we've failed as a newspaper and I've failed as a citizen of Summerfield, it honestly isn't because I haven't tried and tried hard.
In the early days of the CCs, we, just like the town, got bombarded with phone calls and requests for information from Gail Dunham. Initially, we tried to comply with those requests and to talk with her on the phone when she called, as much as possible (meaning we couldn't stop and take every call every day); however, over time we began to realize that she seemed to enjoy being angry, and being at battle more than she seemed to want to take the town in a positive direction.
Just as the town is constantly being distracted by her endless questions and her inability to be satisfied when she does get answers because they're not the answers she wants, we simply could not keep up with her constant barrages of documentation and questions, at least not if we were going to produce a newspaper every week that included information about all three northwest Guilford County towns in our coverage area. With that said, we made a decision to put a limit on how much time we could communicate with her.
The problem I continue to wrestle with is, I feel that the CCs want to fight a battle a lot more than they want to work as a team for the betterment of the town. If I'm wrong, why don't we see them as volunteers on our committees, and why do they use tactics like sending out letters at the 11th hour before elections that bash our elected officials? Why is is that in 10 years of publishing this newspaper they're the only ones who have ever felt we were worthless as a newspaper when every time, and I mean EVERY time I'm in a group, people come up and thank me for what we do for the community? Why is is that everyone outside of their group is treated as less intelligent, and sometimes downright stupid for not thinking like they do? If they want me to listen to them, they will HAVE to change their approach. Even people who did listen to them in the beginning have been totally turned off and tuned out.
I think I understand the principles on which the CCs were founded and I even agree with some of them wholeheartedly, i.e. responsible and accountable government. What I am opposed to is the group's single-mindedness and their adherence to "No Tax, No Services, No Way, No Day." But I could disagree and still have respect for the CCs if it were not for the way in which their views have been presented. I also disagree with their choice of spokesperson, Gail Dunham. Whether they like it or not, if they are a member of the CC and she is the most visible and vocal person who is constantly acting and speaking on their behalf, and using their name as a group when she does so, she represents them and their approval is assumed by association.
If that doesn't seem like an objective assessment, I apologize. That's just simply as objective as I can be after over a year and a half of watching, listening, being the recipient of their letters at my home and coming under attack as a newspaper and a citizen who degrees with their ideologies.
With all of that said, here comes the hard part. I think it's time that we see if we can find any common ground. As I've stated before, if their goal is pure and they truly want what's best for Summerfield and our goal is pure and we truly want what's best for Summerfield, it is vital that we find some common ground. And even though I, for one, have as hard a time seeing the world from their angle as they have seeing it from mine, I would welcome them on this forum and would welcome an opportunity to come together as groups of individuals who want to stop the battle and look for ways we can take their passion and ours and put it to good use.
Should any of the CCs take me up on the offer to come together here, or in person, please welcome them and treat them respectfully. Let's don't get caught up in the battle so much that we forget what our goal is -- as for me, I want to see Summerfield evolve further as a town where we have relative harmony, we are an example for other small communities of how people can disagree yet come together for the good of the whole, and we have a clear vision for the future so that when we're no longer here we have left our space a better place for those that come behind us.
Long posting -- now you can see why I don't do this more often, can't you? 
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