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 Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 02:24 am
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Yawn...



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 Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 02:27 am
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Boy don't I love the way you elevate debate.



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 Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 11:31 am
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Thanks! I was goin' for trenchant.

Debate? I thought you were writin' your memoirs.



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 Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 12:11 pm
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"You said that you aren't opposed to a truck or athletic fields. I think that's great. What about at least 800 somebodys out there who would like to have a park?





I wonder.  Do you have a mental picture of what the proposed amphitheater will look like?  I'd seriously like to know what folks who don't come to the meetings, don't go to town hall and see the drawings and are only listening to the propaganda floating around out there think the amphitheater is going to be like.  :D"




Thanks for your reply. Yes, I do have a mental picture of the amphitheater., and it's not from propaganda. And I do understand where you are coming from, you and many others have worked hard to bring a park to Summerfield.. What I am trying to say is that simply because folks do not attend meetings, pick up the paper, etc.. does not mean that they are not concerned where the money is being spent. I am not saying this is right, but it is what is happening. I am not sure of the exact number of residents in Summerfield now, up around 8-10 thousand? These folks, just like on the federal level, typically do not let their feelings be known on what they consider to be "non news worthy" items. However, these folks do get concerned when the projects start making news, be it in the paper or thru word of mouth. Because these folks do not keep up with the day to day goings-on , they do the only thing they know..vote to get rid of the folks that raised the taxes or promoted something that they did not believe in. I have seen the proposed amphitheatre, I personally do not think it is a big bank buster, and I understand the fact that taxes will not need to be raised(initally)  to fund it. Do we need it, that would be my question.Would this same money be spent better elsewhere? Could it be spent elsewhere? If the point is we need to tax and spend in order to get more money ( or our old money back) , then let's make sure that before we spend it we take care of what we need.. If that's ballfields..fine..If that's a new town hall..fine..If that's a new Amphitheatre..fine...lets take a vote and make sure the majority is in agreement.




 I do feel that simply sending out a survey to a small amount of people, and going under the assumption that the majority of folks want the same thing, simply because they do not show up for meetings or speak up, can be mis leading. I give credit to those who invision something better for the community, those who work hard to get what they want, and those folks that make the time to show up for all of the town meetings.However this only makes up at best 10% of the population. The folks that do not make town meetings, view prints, or voice an opinion early on are by far the overwhelming majority.,These folks should not be blamed for or looked down on simply for these facts. Most have their own reasons for not getting involved.That is one reason why a think a "vote" on large ticket items should be considered. We dont get the "publicity" that typically makes it to the Telvision 6 -oclock news or the radio stations, and if you don't go to meetings or read the NW observer, Most likely you will not become aware of projects that might be of your personal concern. ,many times until it's too late.




Now, having said that, once something is voted on, be it in council or by popular vote, I consider it a done deal. I do not approve of trying to undo what has already been approved or disapproved. A lot of time and money has been spent, a lot of folks have had their hearts /minds set on seeing a project to the finish, and it's time to move on.




 

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 Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 12:35 pm
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happycamper wrote:

Now, having said that, once something is voted on, be it in council or by popular vote, I consider it a done deal. I do not approve of trying to undo what has already been approved or disapproved. A lot of time and money has been spent, a lot of folks have had their hearts /minds set on seeing a project to the finish, and it's time to move on.



Your whole post was well stated, Happy. The part I quoted above is the part I'm interested in discussin', because that's where we are now with the park. The interested public had many chances over the years to learn about an' offer input on the park an' if they chose not to, so be it. Others chose to be involved.

At this point, the council has voted to proceed an' I think we should honor that vote an' the hard work of the people who chose to be involved in the process that led up to it.

Maybe this will be a learnin' experience fer us all. I apprciate your thoughtful attitude, Happy.

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 Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 12:51 pm
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You pose some good questions Happycamper, and you seem like a sensible person.  I appreciate your open mindedness. :D


I want to make it clear that I don't look down on people who don't know what's going on in town politics.  Everyone has their areas of interest and they choose to participate in activities that they find most fulfilling to them.  That's ok.  That's what makes the world go round.


I would just like for folks who come out in opposition to the various projects to do a little leg work and find out some facts about what they are opposing first.  That's all.


As for the survey, you might not be aware that they have repeatedly discussed how it was distributed at council meetings and I don't think that the town adminstrator has any regrets as to how it was distributed.  His distribution list covered as many SF residents as he could reach and the survey was available at town hall for those who did not recieve it.  There was a notice in the paper informing folks that the surveys were available.


When the survey was conducted, the park wasn't the 'hot topic' that it is now and folks didn't bother to send them in or didn't bother to go and pick one up at town hall. Most probably don't even remember getting it in the mail.  I feel like if another survey were conducted, we'd see a larger response from the citizens.  Of course that's gonna cost money......


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 Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 10:30 am
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Well Ms Strickland "outed" Mr. Mike and me yet again at the Town council, when she announced yet again, we had lost and she had won. I am sorry that it is viewed as a win lose situation. I am sorry that Ms Strickland obviously feels we should move away and have nothing more to say or do in the Town of Summerfield. Mr Mike and myself are no longer sitting on the council but for the very same reasons we ran for council, we intend to remain involved in our town. The council is not a monarchy and although it is obvious that the CC's would like to limit free speech , we still have it. I have a right to be involved in my Town and my government and it will take more than comments from a council member to stop me.

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 Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 10:33 am
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Woo hoo, Jane!! You go, girl!!! ♥♥♥



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 Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 10:50 am
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I agree with you Jane.....Its not about winning or losing....Thats in the past, we need to think about Summerfield's future......It doesn't matter what seat you are in during a town council meeting just as long as you are voicing your opinion..... 

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 Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 11:45 am
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You are so right Jane and Mike!  Thank you for not being intimidated and for standing up for YOUR town!

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 Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 12:07 pm
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Mr. Mike and Jane, You can still hold your head up high. Mrs. Strickland did not say you 2 committed worse offenses than herself, she only directed that at Mark, Dena, Bob, and Carolyn. Wow!, where did that come from? Call that an apology?



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 Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 12:19 pm
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I particularly liked a comment that Clark Doggett made last night.  He stated something like he finds it interesting that 800 residents are a MINORITY when it comes to park supporters, however 700 and some are a MAJORITY when it comes to the votes Strickland received.....Did I get that right?  Yay Clark!!!

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 Posted: Mar 18th, 2007 04:03 pm
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I am still annoyed and angry with the antics of the two representatives from the Concerned Citizens at Town Council. 

As everyone can see, I am not a frequent contributor to this forum.  And some of my previous posts have tried to be conciliatory in nature towards Ms Strickland and Mr Crawford.  I've pointed out that they worked the hardest in the past election and had the most signs out and fairly won their spots on Town Council.  And as such we owed them our respect.  And last Christmas season I asked for rhetoric to tone down and to wish them all a very happy holiday season.

Boy, was I wrong.

I guess it shows that even though you try to be nice to a bunch of skunks, it won't stop them from spraying you anyway.

Some people have noted that it sends a chilling note to have a member of Town Council try to find out an anonymous poster's true identity and whatever else he find out about him.  Those people's concerns are well-founded.  In my opinion, there is much that an elected representative could do to make a citizen's life less comfortable and having a Town Councilman off on some vendetta should make people afraid of him.

But it's really Ms Strickland who takes the cake.  It was really slick when you think of it.  Having Ms Dunham write her long missive which, as a private citizen, could have taken liberties with the truth;  and then follow up with an official-looking letter from a member of Council lent an air of credibility to Ms Dunham's accusations.  Very very slick.  And also very very dirty.

In the NWO, Ms Strickland was quoted as referring to people like me as 'cowardly anonymous bloggers.'  But I wonder who the real coward is?  Me?  Or the elected representative who somehow can't recognize that they've done something terribly inappropriate and dirty and refuses to own up to it.

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 Posted: Mar 18th, 2007 10:32 pm
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WB you are correct about not owning up to doing wrong. How about trying to make others look bad in the process of apologizing so to make yourself look better. That took the cake.



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 Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 12:44 am
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When I was a child and I did not get my way with one parent I would ask the other parent.  Sometimes with the support of a sibling I would ask for permission of the later parent (without the previous parents knowledge of course) and gain approval after being shot down by the previous parent.  Admittedly this was wrong and I immaturely snubbed the previous parent in the process (nah nah nah).  Is this roundabout, behind the back ( of the Town Council/citizens ) letter any different than an immature "I can't get my way" so I will resort to other means?...??? Same situation... but as an adult?????

It seems to me that we all should accept the fact that we are not always right or atleast we should accept the fact that others may disagree with our desires. 

By the way my name is Scott Alexander.  I thought this would save someone the time of "researching" this fact.

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