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macca
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 01:29 pm |
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Wow! It's hard to believe anyone would deliberately tell a funding source to deny their own town money to help improve the quality of life there.
What can Summerfield residents do to minimize the damage of these letters?
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FatPappy
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 01:39 pm |
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macca wrote:
What can Summerfield residents do to minimize the damage of these letters?
Write the council, the NWO, the Guilferd Recerd, all yer friends an' fambly...tell 'em what a outrage it is that two individuals who represent nobody but themselves have the audacity to try an' tell a whole town what to do.
If there is such a groundswell o' opposition to the park as they claim, then where is it? Why haven't we seen it?
If some people don't want a park fer whatever reason, that's fine. Tryin' to subvert the legal actions o' duly elected officials ain't all right.
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 01:46 pm |
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I hope that there will be a lot of people coming to the Town Council meeting Tuesday night to say democracy is important. We do not want to be represented by some other form of government that takes alway the majorities rights.
We want the Concerned Citizens to explain to us how sabotaging the half a million dollar grant, yes that is right 1/2 a million dollars, which the Town spent $20,000 holding meetings and getting the grant written, is saving us money.
To explain to us how their platform of open responsible government which they ran on is carried out in this letter from Ms Strickland representing herself as a council of member sent with out the knowledge of at least 4 other council members.
Why this letter is not enough of an offense to demand the resignation of Ms Strickland for blantant abuse of power of her position. She is representing only herself not the wishes of the 800 people who came to the park opening, not the parents of the 900 kids who are playing on the "outdated and inadequate" ball fields. Ms Strickland has an agenda and it does not matter what the majority of Summerfield might want.
Come Tuesday night to Town Council and speak out against this abuse of power. That's what folks can do Macca.
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:04 pm |
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Well said, Jane. Pappy heerd one feller say he thought Strickland's official lookin' letter (she stapled her council bidness card to the upper left corner to make a "letterhead"), I say, her official lookin' letter gave Dunham's seven page rant the appearance o' legitimacy.
I reckon it works t'other way. Dunham's seven page rant would drag down a papal bull.
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:24 pm |
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As an outsider, it seems to me, that the arguments of both sides really aren't at all about parks, but about each side arguing they have a majority of support for their position or goal. I am not unmindful that for one side, the larger issue isn't about parks at all, but about whether or not the Town of Summerfield should (have) imposed a property tax to increase revenues.
It seems that the really fair resolution for everyone, would simply be to place the whole concept of whether or not the Town of Summerfield should have parks on the ballot and let the voters decide. Then everyone could find out at last whether or not they truly represent a majority of Summerfield residents' viewpoints.
And at the same time, why not place on the ballot for Summerfield residents to decide, whether or not to continue to impose a property tax on its' residents.
Why in the world would either side be reluctant at all to let the voters decide these two issues if they truly believe in the rightness of their positiion and the strength of their support?
As a Disclaimer: I don't have a dog in this fight nor do I own property in Summerfield.
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:33 pm |
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| So Jim to carry your argument a bit further we will just do away with our elected officials and put every issue on a ballot and hold a vote. I thought that was the reason we had elected representatives . The majority won and then that carried on to the vote of council. Not each citizen having to vote on everything.
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:40 pm |
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Like I said earlier Jane, I wonder what either side would fear in sharing these two major decisions with the real owners of government, the people?
If your side has the support of a majority and you're convinced of the rightness of your position, then I am surprised that you wouldn't you be leading the charge for letting the people decide and finally and fairly settle these much larger issues once and for all in a democratic manner?
Citizen initiatives at the ballot box are not unknown phenomena under the American democratic system and have been used quite frequently in almost every part of the United States.
So my question to you is: what is your fear?
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:50 pm |
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| There is an election held every two years that allow the people to express their opinions by voting for their representatives. There is an election coming this November. I believe in the form of democracy that we practice in Summerfield which consists of voting for council members every two years. I do not think that putting every issue that there is not total agreement on to a vote is what people expect. We as a population doesn't vote now. I have certainly had many years when I was represented by people who did not have my values but I also realized this was the way our form of governemnt worked and worked harder in the next election to change things.
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:53 pm |
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| Sounds like you have some real fears of what the voters might actually say on these two issues Jane!
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:54 pm |
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This is unconscionable! It appears that her actions were in total disregard and against the principles of our government, plus what she allegedly stands for. She has shown us her self-serving true colors. It seems her letter shows us she will get her way without concern for the citizens she is suppose to represent. She should stop working against everyone, realize that our system works by the majority or it doesn't work at all or she should resign!
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:59 pm |
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Skiddles wrote: She should stop working against everyone, realize that our system works by the majority or it doesn't work
My goodness Skiddles, that is the very same argument that a majority of Americans and the Democrats in Congress in Washington are trying to get President Bush to understand about the war in Iraq. If only he would listen........or, resign as you say.
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 03:08 pm |
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| Gettin' back to war in Summerfield, the real issue here is whether ever' time 2 or 3 people claim the sky is not blue, despite overwhelmin' evidence to the contrary, that ever'thang should come to a halt.
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 03:11 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Gettin' back to war in Summerfield, the real issue here is whether ever' time 2 or 3 people claim the sky is not blue, despite overwhelmin' evidence to the contrary, that ever'thang should come to a halt.
Gosh Pappy, why not let the Summerfield voters decide once and for all on these two issues (parks and taxes), and then show them other varmints (all 2 or 3 of them as you say) you got the majority of voters behind your ideas?
Or do you?
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 03:13 pm |
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| Jim I am stating an opinion as are you. I find your adjetives to be very discussion stopping and judgemental. I will first off say there is very little in this life I am afraid of probably stupidly so but that is the truth so I am not sure why or how you would come to the conclusion that is my reason for my opinion. Just as the use of the word coward how do you know that is the reason people don't want to use their names on the forum. I will be glad to debate with you all though I will certainly concede you are by far have the superior knowledge but I will ask you to leave out the judements on my character.
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 03:15 pm |
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| So Jim - everytime there is a split vote on the council those in the minority could and should call for and be granted a referendum? If those on the minority side want a referendum couldn't they muster up enough names on a petition to make it happen?
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