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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 01:44 am |
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I hear your frustration doggneit, but I find your comments a bit odd in two ways….
First, that you have not seen people use the park. The reason why this seems odd to me is because I do ride by the park all the time and I have several friends that live in the Summerwoods neighborhood and we talk. We all see people using the park most everyday. Now… I do have to say that given a rainy day or a very cold morning or afternoon you won’t see many with umbrellas or winter parkas in the park, but I would like you to feel secure in the fact that the park is being used most all the time. Matter of fact I remember an article written by a gentleman that lives across the street from the playground, he mentioned how the park is being used all of the time and how wonderful it was to have just across the street. It was a nice article.
Second…I also find it odd that you would condone disrespectful, misleading and ill-mannered people that have displayed themselves in this way, not only once but on many, many occasions. Their bantering of... this has to be done my way (stomping foot) AND if not, I will have my way at all cost is unacceptable in my mind. Now… this is just the way I see it, but if you call going behind the majority of the people, the town council, Summerfield’s lawyer and staff’s back to accomplish what has been already decided and voted on something else, I would like to know.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 01:45 am |
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EditorPS wrote: I guess it's all in your perspective, Sawdust -- while some ask "Why?" others ask "Why not?"
I think I know why not.... at least in Strickland's case. I think she KNEW that the town council couldn't do anything to her for taking this action.
Nothing. Nada.
According to the board of elections, there is no provision in Summerfield's town charter to discipline a council member or to remove a council member from office for inappropriate action...
This is something that needs to be changed. And fast.
Now the remainder of the town council is gonna take the heat for not doing anything about her, but as far as I know, there's nothing they can do.
Except pay for the park with the money we have in the bank.  Last edited on Mar 22nd, 2007 01:48 am by Cracker Jax
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 01:54 am |
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SaltyDog wrote: Perhaps some others think we should have a referendum about whether Strickland and Crawford should remain on the council.
What about those folks who think you should have a referendum about whether Barnes, Williams and Collins should remain on the council?
Don't those folks deserve to have their voices heard as well? Should those voters be allowed a chance to vote on their concerns as well?
Why limit citizens' options to only those you and a small minority favor?
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 01:57 am |
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| Jim - perhaps you should read my post more carefully. Did I not say that ALL should follow the rules and accept the results? I did not say we should have any kind of referendum. The referendum that counts is the election. Last edited on Mar 22nd, 2007 01:58 am by SaltyDog
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:00 am |
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SaltyDog wrote: The referendum that counts is the election.
AMEN. The election is THE ONLY referendum that counts. And I am sure there are lots of Summerfield voters who are counting the days until they can make sure their votes are counted and their voices finally heard.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:09 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: SaltyDog wrote: The referendum that counts is the election.
AMEN. The election is THE ONLY referendum that counts. And I am sure there are lots of Summerfield voters who are counting the days until they can make sure their votes are counted and their voices finally heard.
I too am sure there are lots of Summerfield voters who are counting the days until they can make sure their voices are finally heard - But the catch here Jim is that we have differing opinions on whose voice will be the loudest. But our opinions don't really matter.
I would hope that whomever is on the short end of the election will accept the results and not try to make excuses about why they lost or try to subvert the will of the new council.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:15 am |
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SaltyDog wrote: I would hope that whomever is on the short end of the election will accept the results and not try to make excuses about why they lost or try to subvert the will of the new council.
You mean, sorta kinda like the folks here on the NWO Forum now who so graciously accepted the results of the last election in Summerfield and didn't make excuses for their loss and who tried and continue to try to subvert the will of the majority of voters in the last election?
Or were you referring to something else?
Puh-leeze let's not be duplicitous.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:21 am |
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| Jim lets try not to make blanket statements about a group of people. I did give our two new councilmen my respect, but I have to say they have disappointed me in how they have conducted themselves so far. Respect is earned .. I gave them every chance to earn mine.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:25 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: SaltyDog wrote: I would hope that whomever is on the short end of the election will accept the results and not try to make excuses about why they lost or try to subvert the will of the new council.
You mean, sorta kinda like the folks here on the NWO Forum now who so graciously accepted the results of the last election in Summerfield and didn't make excuses for their loss and who tried and continue to try to subvert the will of the majority of voters in the last election?
Or were you referring to something else?
Puh-leeze let's not be duplicitous.
Jim do you just want to pick a fight or do your glasses need adjusting?
What about the will of the people in the previous elections that duly elected the other 3 members to the council? Don't their votes count until their terms expire? The council voted on the parks and it was approved 3 to 2. What is so hard to understand?
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:25 am |
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Skiddles wrote: Jim lets try not to make blanket statements about a group of people. I did give our two new councilmen my respect, but I have to say they have disappointed me in how they have conducted themselves so far. Respect is earned .. I gave them every chance to earn mine.
Skiddles, it is not important whether you or I or anyone else respects the two new councilmen. Or whether we trust them. Or even like them.
What is important is that we all respect the dictates of the majority of voters in the last election and make sure we understand the message those voters were sending. It is important that the larger message for change from the last election not be forgotten nor have fallen on deaf ears. Voters have a way of remembering things even when politicians don't.
To me at least, that message has been lost and is being lost on most if not all of you. It is a message, that I clearly think will come back to haunt you and so many others. The political revolution isn't over yet, despite wishful thinking. Ponder that possibility.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:39 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: The political revolution isn't over yet, despite wishful thinking. Ponder that possibility.
I hope its not the kind of political revolution where 2 > 3. Ponder that possibility.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 02:47 am |
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SaltyDog wrote:
What about the will of the people in the previous elections that duly elected the other 3 members to the council? Don't their votes count until their terms expire?
Let's see that was 4 years ago right?
I wonder what the American people's views were four years ago toward the war in Iraq? Remember?
Now 4 years later, given what we know now and our dreadful experience in the midst of their civil war, do you know of one sane American politician who would vote to go into war now with Iraq (and live to tell about it after the next election)?
So as time elapses and events and circumstances change, when and as the views of a majority of citizens change, it is incumbent for the views of their elected representatives to change as well, or else the majority of voters will change their representatives (by kicking the 'bums' out as they say).
But if you and others who adhere to the past want to keep your heads in the sand and rigidly cling to your views of 4 year old doctrines and polls, by all means puh-leeze don't let me stand in your way.
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| Many, if not most of the voters that voted for the last 2 council members have came out and said that they are embarrassed and wished that they had not supported them. I, yes I, me, myself ,I voted for Becky but not for Dwayne. Many of the once supporting members of the CC's have denounced them and said that they have taken a turn for the worse. This is not what the CC's started out to be. Now less than a couple of handfuls of them are left. What does that say about the powerful CC's? Yes the CC's know how to play the game and play it well. But thats just it, they treat it like a game to win is everything to them win at all cost. If there are more than a dozen CC members left, nobody knows who they are. I would like to know where they are and why they don't come out to support DC and BS? We all see Mrs. Dunham and their couple of cronies, but thats it. CC's Where are you?
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 03:02 am |
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Baseball Buddy wrote: Many, if not most of the voters that voted for the last 2 council members have came out and said that they are embarrassed and wished that they had not supported them. I, yes I, me, myself ,I voted for Becky but not for Dwayne. Many of the once supporting members of the CC's have denounced them and said that they have taken a turn for the worse. This is not what the CC's started out to be. Now less than a couple of handfuls of them are left. What does that say about the powerful CC's? Yes the CC's know how to play the game and play it well. But thats just it, they treat it like a game to win is everything to them win at all cost. If there are more than a dozen CC members left, nobody knows who they are. I would like to know where they are and why they don't come out to support DC and BS? We all see Mrs. Dunham and their couple of cronies, but thats it. CC's Where are you?
Baseball Buddy, I think this not so much that we disagree fundamentally, but it is such that we simply see things quite differently.
You see the last election as being all about the CC's and I see the last election as disgruntled voters who were disgusted with incumbents and incumbent policies who rather strongly felt the need for a major shift and change in policy and direction. Quite simply, Summefield voters not only hired two 'new managers' in their last election, they also corespondingly fired 'two old managers' not suitable to their tastes (and perhaps pocketbooks).
You measure support by the number of members of CC's whereas I measure an underlying sentiment for change based on the total number of voters (not CC members) who voted for a change in direction.
You see the change of direction expressed by voters simply as Becky Strickland and Dwayne Crawford as manifested town councilmen and I see an ongoing unresolved inertia which cannot be yet measured until the 'political revolution' is complete (which I would define as a change in direction from either the CC's (as manifested by Strickland and Crawford) and the status quo of the majority of 3. My personal bet is that a majority of Summerfield voters are seeking '3rd way' policies, direction and candidates which neither of us has even seen yet (which falls somewhere in between and in the middle from the two extremes).
Whether you are right or I am right, we both can rest assured that the next election cycle in Summerfield will be more than a little interesting and anything but boring.
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Posted: Mar 22nd, 2007 03:14 am |
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I agree with you! The voters will come out of the woods. When BS and DC were voted in, the Town had it's lowest percentage of voters ever. It will not be boring! You are soooo correct. Great post.
One thing. The revolution to take back the Town of Summerfield is on it's way also!
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