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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jan 16th, 2007 03:03 am |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
I don't think it's wise to say so on here. At least until the truth/proof comes forth.
It sounded like Isabella had some kind of truth/proof about some political contributions to the Strickland campaign.
Perhaps as we all have said, she can shed more light on what she knows?
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Posted: Jan 16th, 2007 10:42 pm |
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That would be great!
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:45 am |
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| Pappy's a little behind these days. I understand the 220 property is no longer bein' considered.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 02:28 am |
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| So, what property IS being considered now?
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 04:03 am |
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| as Cracker said...there doesn't seem to be any proof...but more than a few reliable sources have told me that there was a HEFTY contribution to the CC cause by the owner of the property...are in-kind donations required to be submitted?
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 10:22 am |
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Pappy I think you are right about the 220 property. I think I remember that it was too expensive and had a huge gully on it that would reguire a lot of earth moving. Also several acres of it would eventually be in the new highway right of way and unusable.
The Friddle property would be such a good start. The location is good, it is flat and would require little earth moving so I understand.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 10:53 am |
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Why doesn't the Town of Summerfield put out RFP'S (Requests For Proposals) for park land purchases if they are serious about expanding their park acreage as well as getting the most bang for the buck.
In other words, let it be known in the Summerfield community that there is "X" number of dollars available for park land purchase, and then see what the free market response might be. It seems to me that much larger acreages might well be protected when seller/bidders are competing to sell, rather than having only one 'vendor'/seller drive up the price artificially. 'Competition' in the free market arena is always more efficient and more cost effective.
I'm willing to bet that suitable park land could be purchased by this method for probably half of what will be paid out and wasted by simply negotiating with only one seller. Why would a Town Council purchase park lands with taxpayer money at prices they would not pay for the same tracts as individual citizens?
It just seems like there is room for a great deal of waste of taxpayer's money in the current process.
Last edited on Jan 17th, 2007 10:59 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 11:42 am |
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| Summerfield hasn't sent out RFP's but have certainly had their quest for park land written about in the NWO on several occasions. In fact I am not sure that is not where some of the negotiations going on right now started.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:15 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
It just seems like there is room for a great deal of waste of taxpayer's money in the current process.
So what is the current process?
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:24 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Summerfield hasn't sent out RFP's but have certainly had their quest for park land written about in the NWO on several occasions. In fact I am not sure that is not where some of the negotiations going on right now started.
RFP'S and news about parks in a local media are not the same thing.
The US Postal Service, when seeking to relocate or build a new post office facility, as just one example, will publish a legal notice for RFP'S and then interested parties can bid as to what they would charge to lease back a specific space (predetermined by the US Postal Service) for a long term lease; thus insuring equality and quality in the purchase process.
Most governments these days (municipal, state and federal government) purchase or guide their purchases based on RFP'S (certainly those over a specific dollar amount) rather than the whims of one or a small group of representatives of a government acting outside of a competition in the marketplace.
It just seems to me that it all boils down to whether you would rather buy 20 acres of parkland or 50 acres of parkland for the same amount of money.
Let's face reality here: most of the folks on the local town councils are in charge of and can (and do) spend sums of money measured in a vastness that they would never have the opportunity to spend in their individual personal budgets. And that lends itself to abuse through innocence or ignorance, whether denied or acknowledged.
I just think we can do better and buy more by establishing a more formal arms length purchasing process in all of the Northwest communities, mostly especially on purchases in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And I also think that most of the taxpaying voters out here would and will agree in the future when they see some of the wasteful exhorbitant prices which will be paid without a formal competitive system.
Last edited on Jan 17th, 2007 12:27 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:25 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote:
The Friddle property would be such a good start. The location is good, it is flat and would require little earth moving so I understand.
It's a good central location. I like it too, from what I know about it.
Another property I heard about is somewhere outside the town limits on 158. Cheaper land, but it's a ways out yonder.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:34 pm |
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One other thing that makes sense to me, is that the three towns of Oak Ridge, Summerield and Stokesdale should also at least sit down and have discussions about park needs for the larger Northwest community and whether these needs might best be met through a consortium of the three towns rather than each one going it alone. Let's face it, while any specific park will be within the boundary of one town's limits, users might well come from outside those boundaries. And in fact, citizens of one of the Northwest communities might well be closer to a park in a neighboring community than one in their own.
There are just far greater efficiencies created by economies of scale. Economies of scale which would be realistic with a three town consortium which would not be realized by any one town acting alone.
The same thought applies to a need for at least some regional planning and zoning considerations for land uses in the three Northwest communities, as the planning and zoning decisions in one town, most certainly can and do have impacts on the other communities. It is well past time for these types of discussions to begin.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:37 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Jim Flynt wrote:
It just seems like there is room for a great deal of waste of taxpayer's money in the current process.
So what is the current process?
As an outsider, it would appear to me that there is no formal process.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:42 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Summerfield hasn't sent out RFP's but have certainly had their quest for park land written about in the NWO on several occasions. In fact I am not sure that is not where some of the negotiations going on right now started.
The other problem with this line of thinking, is that most readers (myself included) would read the articles as written and believe that a deal has been made or is nearly made. And that the only considerations given were to two property owners.
That is why I think that a formal RFP which was not only announced through the 'free media' but which also was legally posted and perhaps announced in a mailing to either all Summerfield citizens but certainly all Summerfield citizens who's tax records would show ownership of some minimum number of acres suitable for a park would be notified.
If the larger landowners in the community believe a park land purchase has already been made or that only one or two tracts are being given consideration, then there is no incentive for those other land owners to contact the Town nor to offer their land privately for sale.
In 'politics' perceptions become reality, and I would all but guarantee that among most voters in Summerfield, the perception would be that a free and transparent process over such a large expenditure of taxpayer money has not been followed.
So when the CC's or some other disenfranchised group of the electorate gains more ground and power in a future town election, no one should be shocked and surprised. This is an issue just waiting to find the right voices of dissent.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:47 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
As an outsider, it would appear to me that there is no formal process.
As a non-doctor, it sometimes appears a doctor's process is simply lookin' a feller for 3 minutes an' leavin', but I've always suspected there's more to it than that.
There must be more goin' on with the land process than just sittin' around waitin'.
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