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Posted: Dec 10th, 2006 02:08 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: Perhaps WB is saying it's time to stop beating a dead horse?
Now that could mean we need to have a funeral and bury the darn thing before the smell gets worse or we could continue to try and breath a little life back into what seems to be nothing more than skin and bones?
If this were truly a dead horse, it would be the right thing to do
but this horse is alive & well. as long as Becky Strickland is spewing venom, and Dwayne Crawford is misbehaving on the Town website, and sending his constituents harassing emails, this subject is very valid and very appropriate.
As long as these two refuse to participate in town activities they should be proud of (tree lighting, parades, park openings), their poor representation should be duly noted. Sorry, I cannot accept "nuff said" with misbehavior of elected officials, or my own kids.
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Posted: Dec 10th, 2006 03:18 am |
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Merry Christmas Dwayne and Becky!!!!!
I wouldn't expect too awful much in my stockin' if I were you though..... 
WB, I do respect your opinion, and your right to voice it, but I'm afraid I don't agree that enough has been said.
I for one, plan to continue pointing out among other things, the harrassment of council members, committee members and members of the community until the citizens of Summerfield wake up and realize the consequences of voter apathy and decide to get out and rectify this sad situation.
Perhaps in November 2009, I can finally say "enough said". 
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Posted: Dec 10th, 2006 12:53 pm |
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I agree, Waytago an' Crackah!
We need multiple points o' view in town politics. But the CC "group" have never simply argued another side, they have gone beyond acceptable behavior into behind the scenes manipulation an' intimidation tactics as well as shameful public misinformation to force their position.
That's wrong and it continues to be wrong.
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Posted: Dec 10th, 2006 01:13 pm |
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| Pappy I agree, Right is right and wrong is wrong, there is no gray area or half way. The sooner the people of Summerfield realize this the better off Summerfield will be.
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 02:20 pm |
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How many times and ways can we say it - this forum is open to all opinions and points of view. This is not a club where you are welcome only if you agree with the majority of the posters - but be prepared to defend your position. You may need a tough hide sometimes because this is a place for wide open discussions and posters rarely miss a chance to needle each other. I think the vast majority of the time you will be treated with respect but your opinions can and will be challenged.
Come on CCs (and any others who care about future of Summerfield) jump in here - openly or anonymously float your ideas and opinions in this public forum and let's duke it out. The town will be better for it.
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 05:51 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: If they would just show some sign that they care what the other side has to say, I'd tone it down a notch. But I don't don't see any effort on their part to meet halfway, or anyway. You set the bar kind o' high.
I spent a considerable amount of time over the weekend contemplating the ideas and comments in this thread. Especially did I ponder the comment about how high the bar of political expectations should be set. Perhaps, the bar has not been realistically set, regardless of height, no matter the personal wishes of many.
To be fair, no one is complaining or has complained that town council members from Oak Ridge or Stokesdale haven't or don't post here (that we know of). Nor has anyone complained that the members of the Guilford County Board of Commissioners, or Board of Education or the Greensboro City Council don't post their private thoughts here or elsewhere online (that I know of).
In fact, it seems that there is an expectation of some that is not even demanded of all. The other 'majority' town council members in Summerfield aren't posting their ideas and thoughts here, so why should we realistically expect such of the two 'minority' members.
It is the wise leader who understands that public comments can and do often come back to haunt them at a later date, and from my perspective, while leaders should be accessible to their constituency, that does not require them to engage in public debate with any constituency in their private time away from public duties. Nor are they required to reveal their future political strategies.
Can you really imagine Skip Alston or Paul Gibson sharing all of his thoughts with this or any other audience? Can you really imagine any Mayor truly outlining every political aspect of their particular vision of a community or detailing the boundaries of their personal political philosophy? Do we really expect our publicly elected servants to open their lives and minds to us as if they are open books and demand access as if we have some right to know?
As I have said before, I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I do think the expectations some of you are espousing are completely unrealistic and I imagine that most of you are smart enough to realize that, whether or not you will admit it. So, to continue to press on with an unrealistic mission unlikely to succeed, is simply to tilt at windmills. And in the end, the long term results may as easily backfire on the taunters as on the tauntees.
So to those who would buy into wishing to lower the bar, I can only say: Caveat Emptor.
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 08:11 pm |
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Jim your point has some validity but consider this - If a political figure chooses to lurk on this forum, speak about this forum in public meetings, spends time cross-referencing posters comments, and writes widely distributed emails directed to forum participants then it is they who have set the bar high.
All candidates and office holders from all the governing bodies have been invited to participate in this forum. It does not shock me that only a few have chosen to do so. You are correct that calls for those associated with the CCs are louder than others but that may be because we are calling them out for their hipocritical stances regarding open government, the ethical behavior of others and their obvious interest in what goes on here.
What we are saying is this - If you care about and disagree with the opinions expressed on this forum enough to complain about it publicly then why don't you and/or your supporters join us and counter balance our distasteful opinions?
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 08:42 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
I imagine that most of you are smart enought to realize that, whether or not you will admit it. So, to continue to press on with an unrealistic mission unlikely to succeed, is simply to tilt at windmills.
Oh Jim, I think we're all smart enough to know that the pokin' and jokin' that's been directed at BS and DC is not going to coerce them into joining this forum. We are only promising (for Patti and Sandra's sake) to behave if they choose to do so.
I think that most of us would admit that we don't in a million years think any semi-sane elected officials would show up here (unless they are campaigning) and voice their opinions online for all to see. In fact, I have said before that I would advise any elected official that I know, to refrain from doing so.
Jim Flynt wrote: It is the wise leader who understands that public comments can and do often come back to haunt them at a later date, and from my perspective, while leaders should be accessible to their constituency, that does not require them to engage in public debate with any constituency in their private time away from public duties.
I agree, but someone should have told Councilman Crawford.
Jim Flynt wrote: Can you really imagine Skip Alston or Paul Gibson sharing all of his thoughts with this or any other audience? Can you really imagine any Mayor truly outlining every political aspect of their particular vision of a community or detailing the boundaries of their personal political philosophy?
Can you really imagine Skip, Paul or any Mayor stalking and harrassing citizens who disagree with their ideas and philosophies?
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 10:55 pm |
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Jim, I applaud you for bringing in diverse opinions. Note the conversation they stimulated. We need more opinions & viewpoints like yours. Participants don't have to agree with each other, actually it provokes more discussion when they don't.
Thanks Jim............please post more like it. And other folks too !!
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 11:22 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Jim, I applaud you for bringing in diverse opinions. Note the conversation they stimulated. We need more opinions & viewpoints like yours. Participants don't have to agree with each other, actually it provokes more discussion when they don't.
Thanks Jim............please post more like it. And other folks too !!
Steve, Mama used to say that I would argue with the devil just for the sake of the argument, so it comes rather naturally to me.
You can count on the continuation of my arguing for points of view which represent dynamic and creative thinking outside of the box.
Insanity is, after all, doing what you have always done and then expecting different results.
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Posted: Dec 11th, 2006 11:38 pm |
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SaltyDog wrote: You are correct that calls for those associated with the CCs are louder than others but that may be because we are calling them out for their hipocritical stances regarding open government, the ethical behavior of others and their obvious interest in what goes on here.
What we are saying is this - If you care about and disagree with the opinions expressed on this forum enough to complain about it publicly then why don't you and/or your supporters join us and counter balance our distasteful opinions?
(1) The current Forum group strategy is not working and undoubtedly will never work.
(2) The Forum group is essentially preaching to the choir with the current posts and reposts.
(3) For all practical purposes, the Forum group is simply beating a rather dead horse.
(4) Arguing with an idiot (the CC's) is like mud wrestling with a pig; the pig loves it and you are only going to get dirty. Think about it: if you really want to hurt someone, the worst thing you can possibly do to that person, is to ignore them.
By just ignoring them and then simply moving forward with your own strategic vision and tactical plan to make Summerfield the place it can become, and then selling that plan to the only people who really count, the voters (citizens), you will have increased the power of the positive leadership group while neutering whatever little negative power and influence the cc's and their small minded group ever had.
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Posted: Dec 12th, 2006 12:12 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
(1) The current Forum group strategy is not working and undoubtedly will never work.
We shall overcome.
(2) The Forum group is essentially preaching to the choir with the current posts and reposts.
Don't ferget the choir boy.
(3) For all practical purposes, the Forum group is simply beating a rather dead horse.
If it's dead, how come it hollers now an' then?
(4) Arguing with an idiot (the CC's) is like mud wrestling with a pig; the pig loves it and you are only going to get dirty. Think about it: if you really want to hurt someone, the worst thing you can possibly do to that person, is to ignore them.
Ignorin' Hitler didn't work.
By just ignoring them and then simply moving forward with your own strategic vision and tactical plan to make Summerfield the place it can become, and then selling that plan to the only people who really count, the voters (citizens), you will have increased the power of the positive leadership group while neutering whatever little negative power and influence the cc's and their small minded group ever had.
We are movin' forward. This is just a hobby.
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Posted: Dec 12th, 2006 12:12 am |
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Salty an' Crackah hit several nails on the head right well, I think, so I'm not gonna add much, except to say the protections of the Geneva convention should extend to logic. When I hear the agonized cries o' tortured logic as it's forced to twist into conclusions the facts don't warrant, I have to protest.
The CCs have made a mockery o' open government an' have insulted the decency an' intelligence o' the people o' Summerfield an' continue to do so. Not near 'nuff said, in my opinion.
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Posted: Dec 12th, 2006 12:34 am |
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FatPappy wrote: (3) For all practical purposes, the Forum group is simply beating a rather dead horse.
If it's dead, how come it hollers now an' then?
(4) Arguing with an idiot (the CC's) is like mud wrestling with a pig; the pig loves it and you are only going to get dirty. Think about it: if you really want to hurt someone, the worst thing you can possibly do to that person, is to ignore them.
Ignorin' Hitler didn't work.
By just ignoring them and then simply moving forward with your own strategic vision and tactical plan to make Summerfield the place it can become, and then selling that plan to the only people who really count, the voters (citizens), you will have increased the power of the positive leadership group while neutering whatever little negative power and influence the cc's and their small minded group ever had.
We are movin' forward. This is just a hobby.
See how entertainin' beatin' a dead donkey er... uh... horse can be??? Thanks Jim for playin' devil's advocate, and thanks Pappy for makin' my night!!
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Posted: Dec 12th, 2006 12:45 am |
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FatPappy wrote:
Ignorin' Hitler didn't work.
That is true. But on the other hand, we did not engage him nor seek to engage him in dialogue.
We surmised his rather transparent goals and intentions and then developed our own strategic plan enlisting Allies with common mutual interests to defeat his behaviors and ambitions. Perhaps the majority group should consider a similar plan of engagement to overcome the present adversary which seeks to defeat the majority group purpose and visions.
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