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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 02:30 am |
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Sounds like it was a good meeting tonight. Looks like good thoughtful changes were made and that the grant will get submitted on time. The next meeting at Town Council is when we need to go again and let people know that the park is important to us so that we continue to move forward with phase 2.
Sorry I missed it. Hopefully I will be more mobile ina couple of weeks.
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Posted: Dec 16th, 2006 01:53 pm |
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Too bad you had to sit that one out, Jane. Pappy cain't decide which of the two plans is better, so I think we should do both. (Dwayne, I'm kiddin'.)
Y'all be sure to send in your suggestions about the latest park plans. Fer instance, I don't think we need a bark park -- unless it's a fenced-in area fer certain people who like to bark out misinformation about the park.
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Posted: Dec 24th, 2006 11:24 am |
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ahem...cough, cough-municipal buildin'-cough, cough...
Did somebody mention a municipal buildin'? Pappy thinks we need to get our municipal buildin' back on the burner. What do y'all think? We got a lot goin' on with ball fields an' phase 2 I know, but I'd hate to see it die. We need to be lookin' to the future.
Pappy done heered the violent crime rate is on the rise these days. I sure do hate the Sheriff's Substation idee couldn't get resolved.
Pappy also saw the word library mentioned a lot in parks and recreation discussions. I wanted to go look that word up but it's too far to a liberry.
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Posted: Dec 27th, 2006 03:33 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Pappy done heered the violent crime rate is on the rise these days. I sure do hate the Sheriff's Substation idee couldn't get resolved.
I would like to see a Sheriff Substation, too! Right after we GET SOME WATER - the most basic element of human existence! 
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Posted: Dec 27th, 2006 07:13 pm |
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I would like to see a Sheriff Substation, too! Right after we GET SOME WATER - the most basic element of human existence!
Sounds good to me! Pappy sure don't want nobody to have a drinkin' problem. So, that's one water, with a municipal buildin' on the side.
There was quite some opposition to town water at one time. There was several options to ponder. It ain't been brought up in a while. Pappy ain't sure what the deal is, but it seems like somethin' worth serious consideration.
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Posted: Dec 27th, 2006 11:28 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: There was quite some opposition to town water at one time. There was several options to ponder. It ain't been brought up in a while. Pappy ain't sure what the deal is, but it seems like somethin' worth serious consideration.
You might consider that Stokesdale does have a municipal water system, which also should be noted does not require or mandate connections for new development and subdivisions. It is well worth noting that less than 300 families have opted to connect to this water system at the present time and the town is being forced to flush the system on a regular basis (to maintain minimum standards of water quality) due to the overall low volume usage , while wasting tens of thousands of gallons of water in the flushing process (with the costs passed along to the connected consumers).
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 12:00 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
FatPappy wrote: There was quite some opposition to town water at one time. There was several options to ponder. It ain't been brought up in a while. Pappy ain't sure what the deal is, but it seems like somethin' worth serious consideration.
You might consider that Stokesdale does have a municipal water system, which also should be noted does not require or mandate connections for new development and subdivisions. It is well worth noting that less than 300 families have opted to connect to this water system at the present time and the town is being forced to flush the system on a regular basis (to maintain minimum standards of water quality) due to the overall low volume usage , while wasting tens of thousands of gallons of water in the flushing process (with the costs passed along to the connected consumers).
Jim... Stokesdale's water system was built after the town was one of a very few awarded a grant of $3M. The town pursued this grant because contaminated wells were found in the town core, so the system was built to address those specific needs, with the intent of expanding it as possible. Current leaders have continually researched grants, low-interest loans and the like, but they are not available as they were in the past.
While it is true that current residents are not required to tap onto the system, new developments built within a certain distance of the existing lines ARE required to connect to it. In addition, water lines within any new development are required to meet specifications of the town water system so that at some point in the future, when water may be available to that development, the infrastructure would be in place so that it could be easily connected.
The required flushing is to control the amount of chlorine in the water. Officials believe that with a few more customers (which should be added with some of the new neighborhoods being developed at this time) flushing will no longer be necessary in the near future.
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 12:24 am |
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Vicki White-Lawrence wrote:
Jim... Stokesdale's water system was built after the town was one of a very few awarded a grant of $3M. The town pursued this grant because contaminated wells were found in the town core, so the system was built to address those specific needs, with the intent of expanding it as possible.
While it is true that current residents are not required to tap onto the system, new developments built within a certain distance of the existing lines ARE required to connect to it.
In addition, water lines within any new development are required to meet specifications of the town water system so that at some point in the future, when water may be available to that development, the infrastructure would be in place so that it could be easily connected.
Vicki, I was aware of and agree with the comments you have posted.
Your comments, with which I concur, reflect and reiterate especially that the Stokesdale water system was subsidized by tax funds from outside our town government. Without that outside funding, there would be no Stokesdale municipal water system today.
If Stokesdale voters had been given a choice prior to the grant funding which would have required taxation of all to provide water to some, the measure not only would have failed, but the only support would have come from those few families directly affected by groundwater contamination. I think it can be logically argued, that by state government funding providing the municipal water system option, the original groundwater polluters were in essence let off the hook in cleaning up the mess of their own making. No doubt saving those polluters millions of dollars.
With respect to your comment: new developments built within a certain distance of the existing lines ARE required to connect to it, it should be pointed out that most of the existing lines are no where near or close to the major new developments which are being built. I dare say that 75% to 90% of the new homes and development built within the time frame since the Stokesdale water system first started operations, lie a mile or more away from the closest existing water lines.
I also believe that had it not been for the ground water contamination in the Stokesdale core area (downtown) as well as in a subdivision almost immediately adjacent to the old Burlington Industries facility and Culp, Inc., there would have been no strong impetus for installation of a town water system. And absent the public health concern for what was fairly widespread groundwater contamination at that time, there be no Stokesdale municipal water system today.
Finally, other than the less than 300 families who have opted to connect to the Stokesdale water system, most folks out here are quite happy with their own water wells and have little or no interest in connecting or being forced to connect to the town system. And based on the feedback from listening to others in Stokesdale, I rather think that a majority of members of both groups (the well connected and the majority of residents using well water) would not give the Town of Stokedale very high marks in their administration and operation of the town system.
Last edited on Dec 28th, 2006 12:47 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 01:00 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: Finally, other than the less than 300 families who have opted to connect to the Stokesdale water system, most folks out here are quite happy with their own water wells and have little or no interest in connecting or being forced to connect to the town system.
Amen
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 01:32 am |
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I've been at Stokesdale Town Council meetings where people who live in developments served by AquaNC have expressed the opinion that, if they were given the option, they would opt to go with the town system rather than continue with Aqua because they've not been happy with what is provided to them. There have also been others who have come to meetings and asked when water might be available to their area. In fact, Council is using these requests as they determine where the system should be expanded next.
As far as "not giving the town .... high marks...." for administering and operating the system, upon what is this based? I've not been aware of any ongoing problems. People are not coming to meetings and complaining about poor service. The biggest complaint I've heard has been in how long it is taking to expand it..... And there have been people who were afraid their wells would go dry, and they wanted to connect to the town system rather than dig another well.
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 01:38 am |
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| Like I said, there was some serious opposition to town water at one time. Except from those who didn't have any water. But that's their problem, right? Despite the problems with current systems, I don't see how lookin' to the future an' how to create an' maintain a adequate water supply fer its citizens shouldn't be a priority consideration for any town.
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 02:19 am |
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FatPappy wrote: Like I said, there was some serious opposition to town water at one time. Except from those who didn't have any water. But that's their problem, right? Despite the problems with current systems, I don't see how lookin' to the future an' how to create an' maintain a adequate water supply fer its citizens shouldn't be a priority consideration for any town.
Pappy, doesn't it all boil down to a question of who is going to pay for a municipal water system? Whether in Summerfield or anywhere else?
Will the cost be borne only by those users who elect to connect or by taxation of the general population (including those not wishing to connect to a municipal system)?
And if a majority of citizens (voters) don't want it, then what?
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 12:40 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
Pappy, doesn't it all boil down to a question of who is going to pay for a municipal water system? Whether in Summerfield or anywhere else?
Will the cost be borne only by those users who elect to connect or by taxation of the general population (including those not wishing to connect to a municipal system)?
And if a majority of citizens (voters) don't want it, then what?
Well, Mr Jim, you can't do no boilin' without water.
But if'n you had some or knew where you could borry some, I'd say it boils down to whether water is seen as a need for a growin' community's future or as just another government handout to a few hapless individuals. I think it boils down to whether people think water is a community resource that needs a community solution or just a individual's pot luck. I think anything can be worked out. I also think there are never any perfect solutions. I think it all depends on whether there's enough desire to work together as a community or if we just want to enjoy the benefits of callin' it a community without acceptin' any responsibility.
I don't know the answer, but I wouldn't dismiss the fact that water is gonna continue to be a problem as the area grows.
Mebbe we should all keep our own herd o' raindrops an' brand 'em so we'll know who they belong to. Hee hee!
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 01:08 pm |
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FatPappy wrote:
I think it all depends on whether there's enough desire to work together as a community or if we just want to enjoy the benefits of callin' it a community without acceptin' any responsibility.
Actually, that statement is not entirely fair as a answer to the water question. Any question like this is really about what community responsibilty is seen to be an' how far do we go with it. I think there are good people on both sides o' that issue with equally good reasons to believe as they do. I didn't mean to imply if someone doesn't want community water then they are anti-social. I understand that there are serious logistical problems to consider an' however well-intentioned a solution might be, it could end up bein' a mess.
Now I'm arguin' with myself. Must be somethin' in the water.
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Posted: Dec 28th, 2006 02:21 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Any question like this is really about what community responsibilty is seen to be an' how far do we go with it. I think there are good people on both sides o' that issue with equally good reasons to believe as they do.
AMEN.
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