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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 24th, 2007 01:44 pm |
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Jane, I hafta agree that the article could have benefitted from some background. Mebbe my biggest objection was the perceived legitimacy that others not familiar with Dunham's outrageous behavior might read into it.
Pappy'll try to keep a open mind, Seals.
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Posted: Feb 25th, 2007 01:41 pm |
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| I understand more now what you guys were talking about. I'm gathering maybe it was not so much what the article said as what it didn't.
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Feb 25th, 2007 01:58 pm |
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You got it, Sandra. Freedom of information requests are a legal and important right that we citizens have. It is the lack of background that this woman representing the Concerned Citzens continues to request hundreds of pages of information for what reason? We taxpayers are subsidizing these requests because 10 cents a copy does not cover the time and expense it takes to generate records that go back 11 years. Also 15 minutes of our once monthly council meeting was spent on the subject. The fact that this individual has no responsibility to us tax payers as she blighfully spends our money month after month after month.
I think Ryan missed the boat by not investigating the abuses of the FOIA and/ or giving an explanation of why the Town Manager felt it necessary to spend the time in an open meeting explaning the situation.
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: Feb 25th, 2007 02:50 pm |
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Let's analize this. Freedom. Is it free? What does it cost? Who do we pay if it does cost something? Why does it cost something? Who is driving up that cost? Mrs Dunham?
Information. FACTS. The Whole story. Not just the parts you want to edit. What is she looking for? For what reason or rhyme? Is there something in these records that are false or hidden to the Town of Summerfield? The great Mrs Dunham to our rescue?
Act. An amendment, announcement, clause, code, commitment, decree, edict, enactment, judgement, law, measure, order, ordinance, resolution, statute, subpoena, summons, verdict, warrant, and/or writ. None of these are a right to abuse. Or are they? Food for thought.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 25th, 2007 03:44 pm |
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Pappy agrees. Since Dunham has shown a serious tendency to pass judgement (pass what?) on which council actions she has personally determined "will not pass legal muster", while she foregoes the encumberance o' remainin' within hollerin' distance o' the facts (quite a distance fer her), I'm surprised she even needed all that information in the first place. Why waste taxpayer dollars an' precious staff time providin' information that will likely get ignored an' left to die or else tortured an' forced to reach her pre-formed conclusions?
Look at what she did with the Sellers report an' the amphitheater. Contrary to the readily available facts, she practically had Mark Brown personally chargin' over the hill with a chain saw to start cuttin' down acres o' trees fer her $4 million entertainment complex. Was she confused? I don't see how she could not know exactly what she was doin' when she made up them ridiculous an' insultin' lies. I don't know what else they could be called but willful lies.
Tolerance fer diverse opinions is a good thang, but this has no more to do with that than a earthquake does to landscape architecture. Abuse of the system an' wastin' town resources fer personal gain should not be tolerated. She apparently is within her rights to do that, but I reckon we're within our freedom o' speech rights to denounce it!
Seals, I'm sure you got sense enough to see what's goin' on. We sure would appreciate seein' some background on the Concerned Citizen's abuses from your paper. I'm afraid some people still think they're actually concerned about citizens.
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macca
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Posted: Feb 25th, 2007 03:53 pm |
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FatPappy wrote:
I'm afraid some people still think they're actually concerned about citizens.
Pappy, they are...... the handful that think like they do -- right?
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 01:52 pm |
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| The agenda for the March council meeting is incredible. Anybody who plans to come might want to just bring their sleeping bags, pillows and alarm clocks and just go on to work the next morning from there.
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Mar 11th, 2007 02:29 pm |
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| I understand there is talk to divide the meeting in to two meetings. I am hoping there will be lots of people to speak at the begining.
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macca
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Posted: Mar 12th, 2007 11:27 pm |
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Where are y'all gonna put all the folks who show up tomorrow night? I hear there might not even be standin' room. Maybe they should just remove the chairs (and hide 'em -- I wouldn't want to have to duck one if it goes flyin' thru the air! ) and have EVERYBODY stand.... Might make for a shorter meeting! 
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macca
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 12:43 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote:
I understand there is talk to divide the meeting in to two meetings. I am hoping there will be lots of people to speak at the begining.
Is there a certain amount of time set aside at the beginning of the meeting for these speakers, or does this part of the meeting go on until all the speakers have finished? Do you sign up ahead of time if you want to speak? Can you speak on any topic? (Sorry to be so nosy; I've just never been to one of these....)
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 12:46 am |
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macca, speakers from the floor sign up to speak when they go in the building and they each get 5 minutes to speak on whatever's on their minds.
oops! forgot to answer the rest of your question. They have to speak on "non agenda" items and I don't know if a time limit for the entire speaker from the floor session has ever been imposed or not. Last edited on Mar 13th, 2007 12:48 am by Cracker Jax
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 01:40 am |
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Check the Town web site in the morning to see if a decision is made on the order of the agenda. Hopefully it will be up then.
My previous information was wrong.
Last edited on Mar 13th, 2007 02:34 am by DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 11:26 am |
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| Summerfield Town Council tonight 6:30. Come and express your opinions on the Becky Strickland issue. How do you feel about her using her position as an elected member of the town council to write an unauthorized letter to the PartF board to try and stop them from awarding $500,000 to the Town in matching funds to finish phase 2 of the park. A grant request that was voted on and passed by a majority of the Council.
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macca
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 11:30 am |
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| I'm going to try to make it. It sounds as though two of the Town Council members may be discussed, since two of them have been abusing power lately.... I'd like to be a witness to some fine examples of Freedom of Speech.
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bama80
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 12:23 pm |
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| I can see the need for a man (or woman) of the law to be present to enforce the rules of the floor. For instance when people speak out of turn or go over their time limit. Mayor Brown better get the gavel ready. Im just guessing from previous TC occurrences.
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