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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 02:45 pm |
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Sounds like the Town Council meeting will be busier tonight than a pair of jumper cables at a Southern Baptist funeral.
Perhaps Town Council should consider selling the rights to this continuously unfolding Summerfield soap opera to Hollywood to help pay for your new park.
Ya'll have fun with your positive fact based responses. It should be a hum-dinger.
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 02:51 pm |
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As a postscript to my earlier post: Don't forget to go ugly early.
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 03:05 pm |
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 03:13 pm |
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Another one of those fact based positive responses no doubt.
You elevate DUPLICITY to a science as well as art form.
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 03:27 pm |
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"Boo" is more of an opinion than a fact. In this case, "boo" was used not in the sense of "booing somebody off the stage", but as a playful startling exclamation, since, apparently, I'm so scary.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on Dwayne's hacking activities and possible violation of first amendment rights?
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 03:53 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Anyway, what are your thoughts on Dwayne's hacking activities and possible violation of first amendment rights?
Why shucks Pappy, I would love to give you my short answer to the question, but at your suggestion I am now writing my memoirs. You're prominently mentioned in my Chapter entitled The Road To Hades in Summerfield Is Paved With Good Intentions.
Besides, was there or is there a serious discussion going on under this thread? If so I completely missed it. Must have been that intellectual honesty search for the truth kinda thing which I surely haven't seen...........
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 05:37 pm |
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Just for the record: While I am sure it will be interesting, I will not be attending the Summerfield Town Council meeting tonight for the simple reason that I learned the lesson a long time ago not to wrestle with pigs, knowing that in the end, the pigs love it and you both take leave covered in mud.
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 03:09 am |
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It was a good night at the Summerfield TC meeting tonight.
Nobody got out of hand, all stayed respectful in their behavior.
Folks took a firm stand in addressing the misbehaviors of Strickland & Crawford.
Despite Strickland's general belligerant stance, she was visibly softer after hearing fellow TC members, plus the public she is supposed to represent, blister her in public.
One good thing that came out of it immediately was her willingness to motion a large increase in volunteer appreciation funds, plus recommend a charter bus for the event. This was really great to see.
Patti - great job letting it be known Mr Crawford is doing a break & enter job on the forum, public record, right in front of other TC members, in front of two newspapers, his bald head was blushing red.
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 12:35 pm |
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Pappy was proud o' Mayor Brown an' the three councilmembers who spoke out so forcefully ag'in Strickland's excesses. Pappy's proud o' them Doggetts who spoke some pow'rful words. I especially liked Mr Doggett's observation that the total number o' people who voted fer Strickland was less than the number o' people who came out to show support at the park openin'.
Patti Stokes spoke a pow'rful message about Dwayne's breakin' an' enterin' habit. At sev'ral points I thought the laser beams from her steely gaze was gonna ricochet off Crawford's skull an' hurt somebody, but I reckon her aim was true an' them beams hit home right betwixt his eyes without bouncin'.
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 02:23 pm |
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Steve and Pappy,
I just wanted to say Thank-You to both of you for your very professional update and report on last night's Summerfield Town Council meeting. I enjoyed reading the facts which you both reported without either of you lowering yourselves to the rudeness and bad attitudes which the other side has been using. You both showed great dignity which I am sure most Summerfieldians appreciate and it is nice to know that you're both seeing a better way of responding rather than reacting.
Congratulations to all of you for your judicious choice of words and for your continuing support for Summerfield and all her citizens.
Thanks again and ya'll all please have a wonderful day and enjoy this beautiful Spring weather that God has shared with us.
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 02:33 pm |
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I just wanted to say that I arrived at the Summerfield TC meeting about 7:45 or so last night and was very impressed with the turnout. I know there were several issues that brought people out, but it was impressive to see so many people there. The public speaking portion of the meeting had ended by the time I got there (I had another meeting at 6:30 in Stokesdale, so just came over after it ended) but the business session was being conducted appropriately. I was able to catch up with some of my Summerfield friends and appreciated the opportunity to "check out" another TC meeting.
Stokesdale's Town Hall is much smaller, although we make good use of the space we have. When we have a crowd that large it is because we have a specific issue to address. It was good to see people involved in the process of governing their town.
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Posted: Mar 15th, 2007 02:14 am |
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After 24 hours of reflection, I feel really good about the way the meeting went last night.
It was a show of unity, that the citizens of Summerfield are indeed ready to take their town back. Clear signs that public officials will be held accountable for their behavior, that those citizens who participate in the democratic system available, are not satisfied to sit back and suffer in silence. Nobody fell asleep during the sermon.
Alicia Flowers had an excellent comment last night.........Summerfield is a gold mine.
To those of us who have lived elsewhere, ie in large cities, in the north (or both), suffered the traffic, the cold weather, the anonymity of a large city, the outlandish taxes, the truly shady governments (come visit Detroit with me), I'll take Summerfield any time.
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Posted: Mar 15th, 2007 02:22 am |
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Hairbrush wrote:
Here is an email that was forwarded to me. Seems that DC was calling people out. The only changes I made was to leave everyones name out. See what you think. It is a little long but worth reading.
Dwayne, I don’t know who you think you are but you have the wrong person, but since you have decided to harass me then here you go.
You were somehow voted by some of the people in the Town of Summerfield to sit on the council. With that comes some trust. I don’t have any problems with the document, but I do have problems with someone just posted a document on a town run website without proper channels being followed. You are trying to be a bully and I am tired of it. You speak like you speak for the whole town and that is just not true. Get over yourself.
You once said a long time back that you didn’t want things to be political yet you just can’t help yourself. That flyer is way outdated and without all the information. If the county hadn’t decided to take our money away then you are right we would not need a tax, but if we are going to act a like a town then we need some income. And oh let’s talk about sweat equity that you are so big on. I get every morning so I can work my 40 to 50 hour job so that I can pay my taxes to the government. That is my sweat equity and I happen to want a park and a few other things in this town and am that wrong. Hell No!!!!!!! I am a tax paying citizen who takes her voting very seriously (that is why you didn’t get my vote). So don’t talk to me about whether I put my sweat equity in. I work hard to afford the home and things I have and I pay my property taxes. At least I am not frivolous spending a $1000 so that the town can waste its time informing me that my garbage service is going to up. Imagine what we could really do with that money.
You know why don’t you just take your document and put it out on the table at the council meetings with your chicken scratch on it and make sure you don’t tell the whole story like Ms. Dunham does. You know that is really classy.
I have an even better idea. Why don’t you expand your horizon and attempt to meet the members of the town that you don’t think understand your point of view. Calling them at 9:30 at night when someone gets up around 5:00 in the morning to start their day just doesn’t cut it. You know as a town we do wonderful things like the Christmas tree lighting, founder’s day and I would have been happy to have conservation at the park opening but you didn’t seem to stick around long enough.
You don’t know better than me and you can’t decide what I need without attempting to get to know me and this childish game of I know who you are and I am going to tell everyone is just in plain bad taste. Grow up!!!!!
You know, you guys really tickle my funny bone....
That document you're referring to over on the forum (http://nwobserver.mywowbb.com) is an authentic piece of Summerfield history. As one of the two principal founders, Bill Peterson possesses and occasionally passes to me many useful/interesting documents related to the Town of Summerfield. That 'unauthorized material' you all are having such a wonderful time shredding to pieces is just one of many such documents. It is legitimate, it is the essence of our founding, and as much as you may wish it didn't exist, IT IS an inescapable part of this town's history. The document and the email Bill sent to me to convey it, I now forward to you - both are unaltered from original.
Now let me get this straight, it is your position (all of you on the TO list) that this document SHOULD NOT BE posted on our town web site where all citizens can find it? In other words, you wish to oppress this document, right? If so, please, please, give me that in writing.
Dwayne
P.S. This email includes dozens of BCC recipients.
I was cleaning my hard drive and found the attachment. I think I remember saying I'd send you a copy of the flyers but I don't remember doing it. I have a few different renditions still on my computer. The attachment is typical
let me know if you want the others
Crackah, I think this is the post you referred to.... Hairbrush posted it on Nov. 17, 2006.
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Posted: Mar 15th, 2007 05:36 pm |
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Hairbrush wrote:
Well, I seem to have gotten an email from Dwayne again. With all that spare time he has, he has figured out who I am on the board. Oh my goodness, he is so right. I am Beth Kaplan. Proud daughter of former council woman Jane Doggett. I will continue to use my user name because I happen to love it and think nothing wrong of using a different name on a public bulletin board, but I am tired of being harassed about my user name. Here is the email that was sent to me and my answer. Sorry it is so long. I did take out some email addresses and some work information.
Yeah Dwayne, I am so glad to know that you are so efficient with your council duties that you have time to look through all those forum postings so that you can discover who I am. Kudos to you!!!!! What makes me angry, besides getting unsolicited emails to my work computer, is that you think I am hiding behind this user name so that I can make inaccurate and deceptive comments on the board. As you stated, I have hardly had any trouble sending an editorial to the Northwest Observer or standing in front of the Council to let them know my thoughts on things. I guess sending out flyers during an election with misinformation (like a 2.2 million dollar amphitheatre) or putting that same information on a table at a council meeting is the honorable way to get your agenda across. Now I am not saying that you directly did these things but you are a founding member of the Concerned Citizens and Gail Dunham is the president of said organization. I know that you stated that you were no longer a member but your name still appears as the contact person on the website and you have really given no real reason on why you are no longer a member. And if campaign contributions from the Concerned Citizens could be made public I am sure I would see your name as one of the ones they contributed money.
But back to the inaccurate and deceptive way information, in your opinion, is put on the forum. It is a forum, which by definition means it is a public discussion group. A lot of times these forums are used to discuss politics. You have been asked to participate and have chosen not to and THAT is your decision. In case you forgot, you decided to run for the Summerfield Town Council. You managed to be elected and thus you are up for discussion. You make decisions that affect the town, like it is too political to let a town member put up “Welcome to Summerfield” signs, but instead let it become a government function. Well I have yet to see a town sign. Or how about not wanting to waste the Town’s money by sending Christmas cards to the hard working volunteers and instead you donated the money for the Christmas cards. Well really you didn’t donate the money, it works out that it is about the same as the stipend that you voted for yourself this year. Oh but wait it is okay for the town to use up to $1000 to notify citizens that their garbage pick up is going to go up. Isn’t that for Republic to do? I didn’t think the town itself was paying for garbage. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
Oh but wait, let’s see there seems to be meeting after meeting about the Mayor and his abuse of power, which the Town Attorney has told us again and again that there was no abuse of power. Yet there was no mention of your abuse of power. I certainly consider deciding to post unauthorized information on the Town Website an abuse of power. In fact I consider it unethical. You stated in a previous email that I might want to suppress these documents. I have no desire to suppress these documents I just want the proper channels followed, isn’t that what the concerned citizens are shouting all the time? Don’t they believe that government should follow the proper channels? We have a historical committee that would be happy to make sure the documents that you wanted to post on the webpage are authentic and kept in a place that all town members could read if so wanted. But besides posting these documents on the webpage being unethical now you have broken my trust, I trusted that when the Mayor asked that you be allowed access to the webpage that you would update the minutes, make sure the agenda was updated and make sure the webpage ran smoothly. I never thought you would go to such extremes. What else did you do while you had permission to update the website? Did you sell my information to other entities? Did you change what I needed to pay in taxes? Is that where you got my email address? Can I even trust the new webmaster since you had a part in deciding who should run the webpage?
And let’s talk about why I might not want to talk to you on the phone. First let’s set the record straight. You called twice. And I am sure you called just so you could figure out if I was really Hairbrush. I returned you second call only to never have you call again. I think I might have added on the message that I left you that I would be happy to talk to you at a function or a town meeting. I could be wrong on that, but I am sure that you kept a tape so you can check on it for me. And you know what I don’t think you have yet approached me out in public to discuss anything. I don’t trust that you are not taping my phone call, so I will never talk to you on the phone about any of this. I did feel as a good neighbor and because I was raised correctly that I should return your call and so I did.
I am disgusted by how you have dealt with these things. You made a mistake. Own up to it, but do not try to turn this around from you to me. I did nothing wrong. I joined a public forum and happened to ask some important questions and stated my opinion on some things. Okay, maybe I did make one mistake. I am taking time out of my busy day to reply to your emails, but I am tired of this bullying. I want the public to know this is how one of their council members behaves. He secretly lurks on a forum and spends who know how much time reading through postings to see if he can figure out who everyone is. I will be happy to discuss things with you publicly on the forum. I will be posting under Hairbrush. I happen to like my username. If you had taken the time to get to know me you would know that is what my niece called me when she was little. She couldn’t say Aunt Beth so she said Hairbrush. Of course, if you had bother to talk to me in public you would not have had to read back through all those posting to know that I worked at Camp Seafarer and graduated from NCSU. I am always happy to talk about those things. Shoot I was even in the Peace Corps, imagine that.
Now please remove my email from your email list. You know where to find me and don’t worry. I will be bringing these same points up at the next town meeting. See I have never hid behind my username.
Beth Kaplan
From: Dwayne Crawford
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:55 AM
To: Beth Kaplan
Subject: Re: [Fwd: flyer]
Beth,
I've given considerable thought to the manner that I should respond to last correspondence.
Referring to the attached document, lets begin with how I know your pseudonym on the forum is "hairbrush"...
- Post date "2006-05-04 14:10:00", hairbrush refers to water study by "Ralph Heath". This reference immediately caught my attention b/c I've had prior occasion to discuss groundwater and Mr. Heath's expertise with your boss, J. Beeson, Jr. Besides you, Jim B., Bill Peterson, and myself, how many people do you think have more than cursory knowledge about Ralph Heath and his work - and of those, who among us would be most likely to post that information on the forum?
- Post date "2006-01-31 12:17:00", hairbrush tells us she worked for many years at Camp Seafarer as horseback riding instructor and eventually worked her way up to director of horseback riding. So too, as did you...
- Post date "2006-09-27 13:03:00", hairbrush talks about catching Paul M. "in a weak moment" and "showing contempt" for same person. Your editorial in Oct. 13 - Oct. 19 edition of NWO echos the same two phrases (among other similarities in writing style, word usage, etc.)
- Post date "2006-09-28 17:32:00", hairbrush says she has a problem with someone thinking they are smarter or better educated than someone else. In same Oct. 13 - Oct. 19 NWO editorial, you similarly question "What allows Mrs. Strickland to assume she is more intelligent than I?"
- Post date "2006-09-28 19:51:00", hairbrush tells us she went to college in Raleigh. I am aware that you graduated from NCSU.
More examples can be given, if you wish, along with supporting documentation.
You've no doubt noted that my response is limited (as much as you're currently aware of) to just you and your sister, Mary. I assure you that no one else has been BCC'd in this correspondence. Why do I not defend myself and lay out what I know to the same people to whom you've inaccurately asserted that I am wrong? I'll let you think on that for a bit...
I wish to respond to your many other points, but I too have to get up for work in the AM. Being extremely self critical of my own writing (therefore slow) doesn't help matters either. Will follow up soon.
Oh, and sorry for calling you so late. I was not aware of your schedule - it won't happen again. Please be aware the one time you did call back, I had assumed you wouldn't (like the time or two before) so I ran out for a pizza - don't think I was here and I purposefully didn't answer your call - I don't even subscribe for caller ID.
Mary, what is my concern with the identities of folks on the forum? Ninety percent of the folks who post are of no concern - its the five to ten percent or so who intentionally post inaccurate or deceptive information and then self-ritiously (sp?) claim their intentions are noble and others who do the same are just plain bad people. That these cowards are doing this only because the NWO provides them the anonymity, I have shared this concern with that paper. Your mother, Mike Stewart, and others who use their real names would not dare post something that is intentionally inaccurate - otherwise they would be held accountable.
Dwayne
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