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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: Aug 29th, 2006 12:02 pm |
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Mom will keep her mouth shut about the old farm dump area bordering the park that was in Hinson Farms. It got cleaned up last week along with trash in the park pond. 8 tires and alot of cans and fishing iteams were removed from the pond. We filled a utility trailer with all sorts of trash from the old farm dump. I hope Mom is satisfied. If it had been any other neighborhood in the area , Mom would have complained about the Town cleaning up someone else's mess. While a group of us were looking at land for ball fields I saw several old farm dump sights that need to be cleaned up. Would Mom be so adiment to get this cleaned up also? Or is she just concerned about herself? A little food for thought.
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Posted: Aug 29th, 2006 05:44 pm |
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Baseball Buddy wrote: I hope Mom is satisfied. If it had been any other neighborhood in the area , Mom would have complained about the Town cleaning up someone else's mess. ......is she just concerned about herself? A little food for thought.
Hmmmmm.... I thought about it and that's a VERY good point BB!!!
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Posted: Aug 29th, 2006 06:45 pm |
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| Mom is still trying to clean up Town Hall....with her FIA there will be no more paper left at Town Hall........give her a shovel....
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Posted: Aug 30th, 2006 03:01 pm |
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Interestin' observation, BB!
It's interestin' how some people, in the name of freedom of information an' fair play, will abuse the system an' the taxpayers all they want to suit their purposes. Ironically, in such a warped an' selfish value system as they seem to have, their purposes have nothing to do with freedom, information, or fair play.
(Mr Mike, I think a broom suits her better than a shovel...)
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Posted: Sep 2nd, 2006 12:35 am |
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Baseball Buddy wrote: Or is she just concerned about herself? A little food for thought.
Having seen how this lady works, it wouldn't surprise me if she found something to complain about how HER neighborhood was cleaned up. She'll take a positive, and put a negative spin on it.
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Posted: Sep 4th, 2006 04:26 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: (Mr Mike, I think a broom suits her better than a shovel...) hehehe! you go pappy! 
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Posted: Sep 4th, 2006 04:31 pm |
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DToney wrote: FatPappy wrote: (Mr Mike, I think a broom suits her better than a shovel...) hehehe! you go pappy!
I have never seen a shovel in the hand of any of the CC's
A broom under Mom, Yes
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Posted: Sep 4th, 2006 04:37 pm |
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I seem to recall there are a few other folks on the TC that don't get nearly as much publicity as BS & DC.
Sadly I do not know the other TC members reputations nearly as well, other than being quieter folks, and very pro-Summerfield.
I'd like to ask our participants to spend some forum time & space to elaborate on the positives of Carolyn Collins, Bob Williams, Dena Barnes, and Mark Brown. From all I can see, they are fine people, whose good attributes are getting over shadowed. Last edited on Sep 4th, 2006 04:40 pm by Waytago
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Posted: Sep 4th, 2006 05:40 pm |
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I think that is an excellent suggestion, Waytago! Why not focus on the good things folks are trying to do instead of giving attention to the ones who are being so negative???  As someone on the outside (living in another town), I'd like to hear more about these good folks who persevere in spite of the others. ♥♥♥
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Posted: Sep 4th, 2006 05:49 pm |
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| way to go! Waytogo!!
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Posted: Sep 5th, 2006 01:37 am |
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Waytago wrote: I'd like to ask our participants to spend some forum time & space to elaborate on the positives of Carolyn Collins, Bob Williams, Dena Barnes, and Mark Brown. From all I can see, they are fine people, whose good attributes are getting over shadowed.
It would also be helpful to the rest of us not from Summerfield if some of you could give us a short political history of the town council and how this town council board got elected. As I understand it, there was some sort of political rebellion or strong partisan battle, but I am not sure of what caused that. Where did the political or community support for these new council people (renegades?) come from? Which parts of the community are backing which town council members?
So, how about it. Can anyone post a Summerfield Politics 101 for the rest of us so we can understand?
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Posted: Sep 5th, 2006 01:57 am |
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You can gain alot of insight on the two newest TC members by reading comments in the Concerned Citizens topic. Their dubious tactics managed to get them elected to office, but the intelligent voters of this community are realizing the transparency of their personal agendas, it is doubtful the voters will make the same mistake twice.
In the meantime, the quieter pro-Summerfield TC members are ensuring the communities best interests are kept in mind. It is these members that should be receiving louder accolades in this community for their fine work.
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Posted: Sep 5th, 2006 02:08 am |
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Waytago wrote: You can gain alot of insight on the two newest TC members by reading comments in the Concerned Citizens topic. Their dubious tactics managed to get them elected to office
I suppose my question originally has more to do with how they got elected and what their announced agenda was prior to their election. Further, how has their agenda changed since they were elected. Where did or does their power or political "base" come from? In other words, which sector of the community supported them prior to the election and has that support remained solid? Why or why not? Finally, how did they convince a majority of voters to support them and their agendas at the time of the election?
Any help in the form of explanation you can provide would greatly enhance our understanding of what seems complicated and complex to outsiders.
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Posted: Sep 5th, 2006 02:25 am |
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Jim- As you know about 5 years ago the County quit sharing the sales tax with the small towns unless they charged a tax. The Town of Summerfield knew as did all the other towns that this was inevidable as the Towns in the NW area and Summerfield in particular had large sums of money in savings while the County struggled to fund its programs. The County saw the approximately 3 million dollars it was sharing with the NW and they decided to stop it. That was one problem.
Another problem was that 15 years ago when the group got together to work on incorporating the town one of the slogans iwas it would not cost the citizens of Summerfield anything because they would be getting close to a million dollars each year from the county. 2nd problem.
third problem is a lot of people only heard you will never have to pay taxes in Summerfield. And in fact several of the very vocal members of the Concerned citizens proudly state that is one of the reasons they moved to Summerfield. No taxes.
Well the Town of Summerfield went for one year with no taxes, sitting on a large sum of money and the debate started. Sit on the money, don't offer any services, and never charge taxes or charge a tax, act like a town and provide some services.
The Town Council and I was a member and I voted to charge the taxes felt that we had a responsiblity if we were going to stay incorporated to act like a town. We have responsiblities to our citizens and we needed to fund them or I felt we should turn the money back to the County and unincorporate. We charged a tax. The first year is 10.5 cents on the hundred or approximately $100 on every $1,000.
One of the goals that the Town Council had was to build a Town Hall with space for a sheriff substation. The Concerned Citzens were born.
The Town Hall was scrapped. The next year the taxes came down to 5 cents I think and this year they are 4 and a fraction. The Town has saved more money every year and the fund balance has grown.
Last year the concerned citizens started a campaign of lots of mistruths about the spend thrift council and nobody much voted. One of the smallest turn outs in years. Dwayne beat me by I think 8 votes and Becky maybe a 100 so they do not appear to have any mandate at this point.
They are a minority and the 3 old council members have not lost sight of the goals of Summerfield.
The park will be dedicated next Saturday which is a project that has been on going for about 7 or 8 years. Ball fields are another big item that is being actively pursued. Our ordinances are some of the most environmentally aware in the state and in the 6 years I was on the board we saved hunderds of acres of open space with our ordinances.
Hope that helps.
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Posted: Sep 5th, 2006 02:42 am |
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Jane, Thank-you for your wonderful history which does in fact help the outsiders to understand what is happening by knowing what happened.
One of the questions which I would like to ask if it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable, is looking backward now in hindsight, what you would have done differently on a personal level (if anything) as a town council member and what you might have done differently in campaigning/running for reelection? What 'political' lessons have been learned by those of you who were the decisions makers at the time?
Were there mistakes which 'your side' bears some responsibility for which caused this political reorganization of the town council membership? Were the differences which the CC had with the old TC more stylistic or substantive in nature?
Finally, do you feel in hindsight that there were any errors in communicating more clearly with the citizens (voters) during both the legislative process as well as the political process (election)?
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