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FatPappy
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 01:53 am |
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Maybe she got what she wanted -- a reason to criticize. Who knows?
I agree, Steve. Thank goodness for the decent people on the council.
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 04:09 am |
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Steve Adkins wrote: I am appalled by Becky's behavior on the council (yeah Dwayne, I know you're reading this, so enjoy), degrading the good names of the other members who have served so faithfully. How unprofessional !!!!!
Thank heavens for the faithful and loyal service of Mark Brown, Dena Barnes, Bob Williams, and Carolyn Collins. Keep doing what you're doing please. Don't let this noise distract you from doing what's right for Summerfield.
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 12:36 pm |
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| Maybe that's something she couldn't POSSIBLY understand.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 12:58 pm |
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The font in the first posting was too small to suit me, these good folks deserve a louder voice.
Thank heavens for the faithful and loyal service of Mark Brown, Dena Barnes, Bob Williams, and Carolyn Collins. Keep doing what you're doing please. Don't let this noise distract you from doing what's right for Summerfield.
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 02:36 pm |
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BS insulted the intelligence of all at the meeting by requesting a private meeting with Bill Hill. Thinking none of her peers or the Towns people are smart enough to understand what she had to say. Or is this a way for her to say something to Bill without everyone hearing what a rude person she really is? Most people in Summerfield have a higher education and can understand reason without bias. But that is not the case here. Thank God we have someone like BS smarter than all of us here in Summerfield to tell us what to do. NOT!!!
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 03:19 pm |
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| Baseball Buddy, I agree. I was stunned when she announced that we would not understand what she was talking about. I didn't notice that she held a law degree. I guess working as a law secretary makes her smarter than me. Darn it, I guess those paralegal courses were a waste of money.
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 04:12 pm |
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Baseball Buddy wrote: BS insulted the intelligence of all at the meeting by requesting a private meeting with Bill Hill. Thinking none of her peers or the Towns people are smart enough to understand what she had to say. Or is this a way for her to say something to Bill without everyone hearing what a rude person she really is? Most people in Summerfield have a higher education and can understand reason without bias. But that is not the case here. Thank God we have someone like BS smarter than all of us here in Summerfield to tell us what to do. NOT!!!
Okay, you guys can beat me up here if you want to because I'm going to play Devil's advocate, but I just want to throw out a thought.
Let's remove Becky Strickland from the picture. What if, say, Councilperson A had what they felt was a legitimate legal concern that had to do with the mayor or another council member and believed that they needed to have a conference with the town attorney before action went any further? What if that council member was, say, Bob Williams or Carolyn Collins and not Becky Strickland? Would you feel the same way? Or would you feel that a private consultation was okay?
I understand that some of you have a problem with the delivery about the legal concern and how you feel that was insulting to the intelligence of other council members and of citizens. That's not what I'm talking about here.
What do you think? Just food for thought......
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 04:23 pm |
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| If a Council member or Mayor has a concern or problem with another, it is proper procedure to discuss it in a closed session and not publically chastise or question your peers. This has been an ongoing problem for BS and DC to try and smear the reputations of those who oppose them in any way. In other words if you have a problem with somebody tell them first in private so you can get the whole story straight so not to look STUPID in front of a crowd when you make false statements.
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 04:32 pm |
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I don't have a problem with needing to meet with the lawyer. That is why the town has one on retainer. But I also would hope it was a legitimate concern as the fee for the lawyer is not cheap.
I do have a problem with someone thinking they are smarter/better educated than someone else. Does that mean I don't expect my council members to not be better informed than me on an issue? Of course not, I would hope that the council is doing their homework and is looking at all sides of an issue as I may only be seeing one side. But do not insult my intelligence to be able to understand the issue once I hear the information.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 04:57 pm |
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S. Smith wrote: Let's remove Becky Strickland from the picture. What if, say, Councilperson A had what they felt was a legitimate legal concern that had to do with the mayor or another council member and believed that they needed to have a conference with the town attorney before action went any further? What if that council member was, say, Bob Williams or Carolyn Collins and not Becky Strickland? Would you feel the same way? Or would you feel that a private consultation was okay?
Sandra, your comparison is valid.
Speaking from my own perspective only, Becky Strickland lacks credibility with me, and I don't care who knows how I feel. Moderators have opinions too, when I see good peoples names getting smeared for no good reason, I draw the line. She ran on a platform of not spending money, or the town wasting money, regularly votes against any expenditure in the best interests of Summerfield, yet feels any town money she wants to spend (waste?)is justified. She also seems to think personnel matters can be aired in public, not executive session. Double Standards to the max. Guilty until proven innocent.
Bob, Carolyn, Dena & Mark, on the other hand, regularly represent pro-Summerfield behaviors, and my own personal opinion is they would take a more professional approach and not be smearing their colleages good names on the way into the attorney's office to investigate what "might be". Good professional people. Innocent until proven guilty.
Repeat, I am thankful for Bob, Carolyn, Dena & Mark.
Last edited on Sep 28th, 2006 05:02 pm by Steve Adkins
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 05:05 pm |
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S. Smith wrote: Okay, you guys can beat me up here if you want to because I'm going to play Devil's advocate, but I just want to throw out a thought.
Let's remove Becky Strickland from the picture. What if, say, Councilperson A had what they felt was a legitimate legal concern that had to do with the mayor or another council member and believed that they needed to have a conference with the town attorney before action went any further? What if that council member was, say, Bob Williams or Carolyn Collins and not Becky Strickland? Would you feel the same way? Or would you feel that a private consultation was okay?
I understand that some of you have a problem with the delivery about the legal concern and how you feel that was insulting to the intelligence of other council members and of citizens. That's not what I'm talking about here.
What do you think? Just food for thought......
Sandra,
Thanks for playing Devil's Advocate! In answer to your question, I do think that we would be more tolerant of Bob, Carolyn, Dena or Mark if they made a request such as this. I think that's because we would be reasonably sure that these people would have a legitimate concern and would not pull a stunt such as this to suit their own agendas. They would also never try to purposely hurt someone or sully their good name.
If it were another council in another town somewhere, another issue (not this stupid PUD/campaign $ thing) AND I hadn't been paying attention to the council member's track records(like so many of the voters in Summerfield) then yes, I would probably think that a councilmember's concerns needed to be investigated.
I haven't really weighed in on this particular issue because I did not see it happen. However, I have been paying attention to the council members and their actions. I have witnessed BS in action before as she tries to discredit someone or ruin their good name. I have watched DC play with semantics and twist them to suit his purposes. I saw the signs they hung up at a council meeting with photos of the previous council members stating that these people were stealing our money. It is sickening.
I have NEVER seen any of the other council members do that.
In truth, if I felt that BS was voicing a legitimate concern and did not have an ulterior motive then I would certainly support her request. I do not feel that way at all. The fact that she called us all STUPID just adds fuel to the fire in my opinion.
Mark Brown is about the "straightest arrow" I know. The CC's are really grasping at straws here. The man can't vote on the PUD ordinance so that's a moot point. As for having Robin research PUDs or whatever it was he had her do, I would hope that ANYTHING that is coming before council would be researched by the person on staff trained to do so and even more so if it was going to be one of BS or DC's "HOT TOPICS."
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 06:34 pm |
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Thanks Cracker
DITO
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Posted: Sep 28th, 2006 06:48 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote: If it were another council in another town somewhere, another issue (not this stupid PUD/campaign $ thing).... Mark Brown is about the "straightest arrow" I know. The CC's are really grasping at straws here. The man can't vote on the PUD ordinance so that's a moot point. As for having Robin research PUDs or whatever it was he had her do, I would hope that ANYTHING that is coming before council would be researched by the person on staff trained to do so and even more so if it was going to be one of BS or DC's "HOT TOPICS."
I know this was discussed a couple of months ago when this first came up, but I'm interested to know your opinions on the connection, if any, between the PUD request and the campaign contributions Paul Milam gave to Mark Brown. By the way, the contributions were legal and were reported, as required, and Mark Brown in no way tried to hide them. We had already pulled the information on campaign contributions on all candidates at election time, so it was not news to us.
Do you feel the Concerned Citizens (or whoever is putting out info on this at council meetings) are "grasping at straws," as Cracker Jax says? Is there anything wrong, in your opinions, with a council member taking contributions from a developer? Does it matter that, in this case, the mayor doesn't have a vote?
Again, let's try to take the personalities out of this. Would it have made a difference if Becky or Dwayne had accepted a contribution from a builder/developer or other group? And just because you accept a contribution, does that mean your vote has been bought on all issues concerning that person or group?
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Posted: Sep 29th, 2006 01:50 am |
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"Do you feel the Concerned Citizens (or whoever is putting out info on this at council meetings) are "grasping at straws," as Cracker Jax says? Is there anything wrong, in your opinions, with a council member taking contributions from a developer? Does it matter that, in this case, the mayor doesn't have a vote?"
I feel that the concerned citizens are trying to keep alive a non issue. Does a contribution mean that person buys your vote? I would hope not. I personally would not take a contribution knowingly from a hate group or a group I had serious moral or ethical issues with but if a developer especially one that lived in the community donated I would take the donation in the same spirit I would take all donations. Mark listed his contributions, as far as I can tell the concerned citizens didn't list theirs ,I am assuming because they took in less than the required amount to have to list but do we know that they didn't take contributions from developers?
I think you reap what you sow. The cc's sowed hate and mistrust and I think that is what they are reaping. I know they won the election on a platform of deceit and lies and this behavour continues at the council meetings.
I don't particularly think it matters that the mayor votes or doesn't vote he/she still has a great deal of influence on direction of council.
I also agree with Cracker that I think if we are going to have an interactive form of government in Summerfield then we would expect the council to consider ideas brought from the voters and that they would research these ideas. I do not think the council has the only ideas on what would be good for Summerfield. Are they just going to sit there frozen for the next two years not doing anything because we don't have a master plan? Won't they be afraid to rezone anything because they don't have a master plan. If a PUD ordinance was in place then the master plan process could refine it because if history serves us, most of the really important ordinances in Summerfield have gone through several revisions and changes over the last 10 years.
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Posted: Sep 29th, 2006 02:10 am |
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Great comments!
Speaking of incapacity to understand complex concepts...
Recently a demonstrated need for a town truck was brought before the council. Not one, but several committees expressed this need for a variety of legitimate reasons. The council majority agreed and budgeted for a truck.
Most people were able to grasp this complex concept and concluded logically from the set of facts that the council majority thought we needed a truck and lawfully arranged to buy one.
One person, however, apparently got confused, jumped the track of logic and somehow ended up accusing Mark Brown of buying his buddy George a truck.
Conclusion? Reality may simply be too complex a concept for some. Luckily this person seems to keep a set of alternate realities on hand for those times when that pesky current reality needs to be rejected and replaced.
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