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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:27 pm
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I just looked on Greensboro's website. I honestly wanted to know the difference between Hagan Stone and Bur-mill. Here's waht it says.

 Hagan-Stone Park Facilities
Camp Joy Activity Center (available on rental basis)
Campground (RV, tent and group sites available)
Cross-country running courses (5k and 8k)
Fishing ponds
Horseshoe pits
Karate classes
Music concerts
Nature, hiking and biking trails
Picnic shelters
Playgrounds
Pool (offering public swim, private rental and swimming lessons) 
Oak Grove Schoolhouse
Softball fields
Volleyball 

 Bur-Mil Park Facilities
Clubhouse-Meeting and Events Center
Eight Picnic Shelters
Family Aquatic Center (Outdoor Facility)
Wildlife Education Center
Par 3 Golf Course and Driving Range, instruction available
Tennis Courts, instruction available
Volleyball Courts and Horseshoe Pits
Hiking and Biking Trails


No mention of baseball/softball fields.

Just like Hagan Stone serves poeple from other towns, so does Bur-mill. People from Oak Ridge, Stokesdale, northwest Greensboro, and other places come there too, not just Summerfield. Bur-mill doesn't help any with the ball field problem as far as I can tell.

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:37 pm
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Jane - thanks for the response regarding the stipends for council members - sorry it took me so long to read it. The $200 seems reasonable to me. Other expenses beyond the $200 would need to be approved beforehand?

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:46 pm
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There are too many elected officials serving time for me to think getting elected means they automatically deserve respect. I think you earn respect by your good deeds and leadership ability.  

I promise not to carry any sharp objects to the parks meeting.

It's not just elected officials serving time but a whole lot of formerly-respected corporate officials.  I was amused to see one of my old acquaintances, Jeff Skilling, get convicted in the Enron trials with his buddy, Ken Lay.  Jeff and I were on the same dormitory floor my freshman year in college.  Very smart guy, made it to a lofty position, and crashed back to earth all by his lonesome.

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:51 pm
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April wrote: If this is not true, then we should be finding out who got the rumor going, where they got the information and get it stopped.
SRA members got it stopped last night before the lady even sat down.  Nipped it in the bud. 

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:59 pm
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Steve Adkins wrote: April wrote: If this is not true, then we should be finding out who got the rumor going, where they got the information and get it stopped.
SRA members got it stopped last night before the lady even sat down.  Nipped it in the bud. 
Was this the lady who seemed to be a CC that spoke of Sweat Equity and called the balldfields a "Sports Complex"?  Sounded a little like her speech was a little of what DC wanted said and a little of what BS wanted said.  This the lady you are talking about?



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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 09:00 pm
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WB wrote:  Jeff and I were on the same dormitory floor my freshman year in college.  Very smart guy, made it to a lofty position, and crashed back to earth all by his lonesome.

Goes to show there's a difference in intelligence & common sense.

Strickland & Crawford might (emphasize might) score high on IQ tests, but their joint common-sense-o-meter is negative from greed. 

Same holds true for Skilling & Lay.............glad you guys went your separate way after college.  

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 09:06 pm
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Lacka wrote: Steve Adkins wrote: April wrote: If this is not true, then we should be finding out who got the rumor going, where they got the information and get it stopped.
SRA members got it stopped last night before the lady even sat down.  Nipped it in the bud. 
Was this the lady who seemed to be a CC that spoke of Sweat Equity and called the balldfields a "Sports Complex"?  Sounded a little like her speech was a little of what DC wanted said and a little of what BS wanted said.  This the lady you are talking about?
Agreed the sweat equity lady was the mouthpiece for Crawford & Strickland........too bad she didn't have the glasses down her nose. 

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 09:08 pm
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LOL on the glasses Waytogo, glad it wasn't just me who picked up on who wrote that speech.



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Pretty sure that lady's name was Elizabeth, but didn't catch the last name.



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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 11:16 pm
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Waytago wrote:
Strickland & Crawford might (emphasize might) score high on IQ tests, but their joint common-sense-o-meter is negative from greed.

Pappys new favorite quote I saw on a sign:
"A sharp tongue doesn't mean a sharp mind."



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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 11:40 pm
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Waytago wrote: Lacka wrote: Steve Adkins wrote: April wrote: If this is not true, then we should be finding out who got the rumor going, where they got the information and get it stopped.
SRA members got it stopped last night before the lady even sat down.  Nipped it in the bud. 
Was this the lady who seemed to be a CC that spoke of Sweat Equity and called the balldfields a "Sports Complex"?  Sounded a little like her speech was a little of what DC wanted said and a little of what BS wanted said.  This the lady you are talking about?
Agreed the sweat equity lady was the mouthpiece for Crawford & Strickland........too bad she didn't have the glasses down her nose. 

I could be wrong, but I didn't really get the impression this lady was with the Concerned Citizens.

She does have a good point about sweat equity. And if her impression from whatever source was that the SRA was going from being a strictly volunteer organization to being more of a business, building a sportsplex, running tournaments for money, paying coaches, etc., that might explain her not wanting to spend tax money on the ball fields. Also, although SRA members may have nipped the notion of paying coaches in the bud with the council, I'm not sure they did with her.

I could be totally wrong. I don't know her -- I'm just presenting a different perspective.

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 Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 11:54 pm
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The sweat equity lady is Elizabeth Edmundson who lives over on White Blossom. She has been one of the eloquent speakers who comes before the Town Council to protect her neighborhood.

I was really surprised at her position on the ball fields.

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Sandra I thought that she had many of the same views as BS and DC.  She even used their words.  I felt like he (DC) had written half of the speech and she (BS) had written the other half.  It seemed odd to me that someone appeared that none of us have ever seen before at a meeting or otherwise and then almost quoted BS and DC word for word.  I know the paper is a great source for information, but some of what she was saying had to make you go huuummmm?



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 Posted: Jun 24th, 2006 12:36 am
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The core issue that goes way beyond specific projects like ball fields, garbage collection, water systems and the like is this - What kind of town do we want to lve in? I don't want our highest ambition as a town to be a low tax rate.

You got that right, Salty. It's the difference between knowin' the price o' somethin' an' knowin' the value o' somethin'.



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Yall know it is not a good thing for me to sit back and be quiet.



Becky tried the angle that we are paying for ball fields for other towns.  She started asking questions about percentages of actual Summerfield players, how many come from GSO, Stokesdale,  etc.  First of all there are many houses that are addressed Greensboro that are actually in the Town of Summerfield.  Sorry Becky don't know the percentages, but if you added up your numbers based on a mailing list they would be inaccurate.  The numbers will be skewed because of the off season participation as well.  Thanks for clearing up the off season numbers, Bonnie.  And you know it is all about the "list" that you choose to use. Voter registration vs. land owners, whatever.

Second ~~ one of the best coaches we have ever had (11 years x 4 kids)  lives in Kirkwood in Greensboro.  His child not only takes advantage of SRA, but he as a father has dedicated HIS time to OUR kids of Summerfield.  He has coached all different seasons of ball and has even coached All Star.  If any of you have ever experienced All Star this is true dedication of  kids, parents, and especially coaches.  They rarely get a vacation because they are on the ball fields in the heat of the day with the kids from Summerfield.  Not in our back yard, but traveling, not 1 game a weekend, but sometimes two, three, or more a day.  So to start down the road to insinuate that there is something wrong with letting outsiders in isn't a good idea.  We need outsiders as much as our own.

A wonderful comment was made last night about there being people who could learn from our kids. I think nothing more powerful was said all night.  The kids do not exclude people.  They don't discriminate because of someone's address and they love their neighbors.  Children only learn hate when they are taught by examples from adults.  Children are not born with hate. Excluding children from other areas and being "Summerfield Exclusive" or trying to crunch numbers to make it look like we are paying for other people's kids to play ball is just ridiculous.  Why not work with other towns to benefit all children.  What difference does it make if you touch a child's life?  You just cannot just go through life thinking only of yourselves.  Children can teach you this. 

Dwayne wanted each family to sacrifice a dinner out once a month.  Says this would save the family $25.00 that they could put towards the ball fields.  OK last time I took my family to Burger King it cost me just a little over 32.00, and that was just the first time through the line.  Three of my kids went back for seconds.  Would love to know where I can take them for 25.00 or less. 

300.00 a year does not touch what it cost for 1 season of a sport for 1 child.  Have you checked the price of a baseball bat lately?  Do you know that children out grow them like they do shoes?  Speaking of shoes, well you can't wear flippers out there on the basketball court.  Any idea what the fees are for signing up for 1 season of ball?  I cannot even imagine the amount of money that goes to the GSO Batting Academy because we cannot practice hitting in our own hometown.  If SRA wanted to start training camps, where would they do it?  Let's take that money over to GSO too? Not to mention the gas cost of traveling outside of your hometown for games and tournaments.  Do the math.  Three hundred bucks doesn't touch it.

You have somehow been elected to budget my tax dollars, Dwayne, but it ticks me off that you are now trying to tell me how to budget my personal dollars and telling me how many times I should take my family out to dinner per month or what do with the money that I save by not doing so.  Well last night I saw what you were trying to do with my tax dollars when you voted against the majority, so I am pretty sure I don't need your advice on budgeting my personal dollars. 

For the council members and the 1 citizen that spoke about sweat equity.  Have you ever noticed what the Boy Scouts do in our area? What about the Girl Scouts?  There are quite a few organizations within our schools where the kids work for what they want.  There are also organizations outside of school that do the same. There is a big difference in kids making enough money to have a pizza party, go on a beach trip, or give to a charity to help others.  Those little t-ballers would have to sell a lot of lemonade to buy their own ball park.  When you were helping with the playground equipment, didn't you see the kids there helping?  Oh wait, well….. I guess not.

I recently read a book about a young child, Corbin.  Corbin has passed away, but before he did "Sweat Equity" came into his life.  He was a one of our own.   A local church of ours had a huge ski trip planned for the youth group.  The youth were very excited and they had worked really hard to get ready for their trip.  Not sure what was involved in the sweat equity, but it sounded like they had really worked.  They had raised their money and were looking very forward to going away and spending time with all of their friends.  It sounded like this was the highlight of the year for them.  they seemed very excited.  Along with their youth director decided that  they could take their ski trip money and buy this child a pony walker.  They gave up their trip so that a child one of their own could now walk.  They knew he wouldn't live long, but it mattered to them. 



  Talk about sweat equity and learning from our kids. 



I do believe that children have pride when they work for something and those of you who do know me know that my children know what sweat equity is.  My children know things are not handed to them and that they are to set goals for themselves and that they are expected to try to achieve them.  If they don't achieve them they benefit from what they have learned on that journey.  Which means it was worth it.  I certainly do not expect an elected official to tell me what I need to teach my children.  Guys that is not your job to mind our personal business. After the story about Corbin, and  kids I don't even know it leads me to believe that the other parents out there are teaching their kids about sweat equity without the help of the TC.  Ball fields are where they go to play after they have been good little citizens. 

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