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Posted: Jun 15th, 2006 01:43 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote:
Also by receiving this stipend of tax payers money maybe there is a stronger argument for expecting council members to participate in activities other than just attending council meetings.
Good point!
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Posted: Jun 15th, 2006 01:48 pm |
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| Zippity, hee hee. I reckon as long as the open mouth goes along with the open mind, that ain't so bad. Sorta need both to make it work.
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2006 01:22 pm |
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Please excuse my ignorance and all the questions but I'm trying to form an opinion about council member compensation.
Jane, based on your experience as a council member, what amount do you think is appropriate as compensation?
Does anyone know if council members in Oak Ridge, Stokesdale, Greensboro, etc. are compensated?
Currently in Summerfield, what types of expenditures are reimbursable to council members and who reviews what is submitted for reimbursement?
TIA
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2006 01:50 pm |
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SaltyDog wrote: Does anyone know if council members in Oak Ridge, Stokesdale, Greensboro, etc. are compensated?
Salty, In Oak Ridge, council members get a $100 per month stipend and the mayor gets $400. In Stokesdale, council members get $300 per quarter, mayor pro tem gets $400 and mayor gets $450 per quarter. I feel sure Greensboro council members are compensated, but I have no idea how much.
County commissioners get $1,725 per month, and the chair gets $2,025. School board members are also compensated.
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2006 02:32 pm |
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SS - thanks for the good info.
Maybe I'm just confused but are the Summerfield folks talking about compensation instead of reimbursement or about compensation in addition to reimbursement? I assume compensation would be for their service as council members and reimbursement is for personal funds spent on behalf of the town.
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2006 04:45 pm |
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I don't know the official version, but I thought the money would NOT be a salary per se, but more of a in lieu of expenses kinda deal. (That's lawyer talk, right there!) Sorta like the allowance Mammy gives me...money to spend on whatever might he'p 'em in the performance o' their duties. Any expenses they might incur beyond their "allowance" would need to be approved before they incur it or else they're outta luck. I don't think they ought to get a allowance PLUS expenses.
But that's just my assumptions. I don't know.
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Posted: Jun 17th, 2006 12:02 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote:
. Also by receiving this stipend of tax payers money maybe there is a stronger argument for expecting council members to participate in activities other than just attending council meetings.
Does this mean that council members will be expected to attend events that they are invited to??? Christmas tree lighting, volunteer appreciation, Founders Day etc.????? Both Dwayne and BS were invited to all and did not bother to show.
All other council members RSVPD with a reason, or they were there......Hello do they just ignore invitations. Not really representing the town here, huh????
Who doesn't come to Founder's Day?? Hello people do you see what they are interested in? Themselves????
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Posted: Jun 17th, 2006 12:10 am |
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FatPappy wrote: I don't know the official version, but I thought the money would NOT be a salary per se, but more of a in lieu of expenses kinda deal. (That's lawyer talk, right there!) Sorta like the allowance Mammy gives me...money to spend on whatever might he'p 'em in the performance o' their duties. Any expenses they might incur beyond their "allowance" would need to be approved before they incur it or else they're outta luck. I don't think they ought to get a allowance PLUS expenses.
But that's just my assumptions. I don't know.
Hello, It's called a Lance.......
The two CC members of the council will be collecting this money twice.... Don't you see this???
From what I understood they wanted money for their ink cartridges, mileage, attending events (which the cc doesn't) etc... with the salary and them having the office staff at TH doing this for them, we are paying for it twice. Is this saving tax payers $$? So far I have only seen these two spending more.
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Posted: Jun 17th, 2006 12:46 am |
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Salty dog first let me say I loved working for the Town as a council member but the amount of time I spent was huge. It would have been nice to have been compensated a little for the gas, time and all the late nights. I don't think the council should be compensated and get expenses also except for Town approved mileage maybe for trips far away and that should be approved in an open meeting.
There is not enough money in the world to pay for the amount of time that Dena, Bob, Carolyn, Mike and Mark and all the other council members have spent over the years in meetings, and all the many activities I think are important for council members to attend. I Helped teach the school kids at the Town Hall history one year, read to classes during reading week at Summerfield and Laughlin, Christmas lightening, Founders day, Stokesdale Parade plus all the different committees I served on as did all the other council plus their special projects. Some of us also have or had full time jobs during our time. It would have been nice to get a small token from the Town and taxpayer. I expect I would have used mine if we had been compensated buying my husband pizza for all the dinners I wasn't there for.
I think $200 is fair but I don't think there should be expenses also.
Salty how is that for a rambling answer.
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Posted: Jun 17th, 2006 08:23 pm |
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From the new an' improved NWO web site we find this jewel concernin' the budget proposal fer buyin' ballfield land:
"Strickland said she could not vote for a budget which spends almost 65 percent on one item."
That makes absolutely no sense! It means nuthin'! It says nuthin'! Should New Orleans reject levees because they consume a certain arbitrary percentage o' the budget? Riduculous!
Well, I don't see how anybody can vote for somebody who has a higher percentage of concern fer money than concern fer kids!
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Posted: Jun 17th, 2006 08:31 pm |
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Another jewel from the NWO website, Pappy's second favorite site:
"Gail Dunham spoke out loud from the floor about the town’s liability, and laughed aloud during Brandt’s presentation. Attorney Hill told Dunham she would have the opportunity to speak during the public hearing and asked her to have the courtesy of being quiet during the presentation."
I wish Dwayne would send us all a recordin' o' that!
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Posted: Jun 18th, 2006 01:24 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: From the new an' improved NWO web site we find this jewel concernin' the budget proposal fer buyin' ballfield land:
"Strickland said she could not vote for a budget which spends almost 65 percent on one item."
Becky Strickland said she would not vote for a budget which spends almost 65 percent on one item without a referendum. She called me down for the error in the June 12 meeting. When I went back and listened to the recording of the June 6 meeting, I heard her add that caveat, which I had not heard originally.
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Posted: Jun 18th, 2006 01:27 pm |
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| Isn't that the purpose of a public hearing?
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Posted: Jun 18th, 2006 02:10 pm |
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Posted: Jun 18th, 2006 09:27 am
Isn't that the purpose of a public hearing?
Only if enough people who really want something show up, does the public hearing system work. My experience for the last few years is that the hand full of naysayers have shown up in mass while the majority of people who expect the council to do the right thing stay home.
If you want to Town to do something about ballfields or rather the lack of ballfields or any other hearing then Mr and Ms Summerfield resident need to show up for the public hearing and express their opinion otherwise the council sits there and listens to only one side of the issue.
I am hoping that a large percentage of the 800 to a thousand parents of kids in SRA show up with buttons, posters, Tshirts and what ever else they can think of to let the council know they have been put on the back burner long enough. The SRA parents need to be serious about this if it is to happen.
Okay now I will get off my soap box.
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Posted: Jun 18th, 2006 11:58 pm |
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S. Smith wrote:
FatPappy wrote: From the new an' improved NWO web site we find this jewel concernin' the budget proposal fer buyin' ballfield land:
"Strickland said she could not vote for a budget which spends almost 65 percent on one item."
Becky Strickland said she would not vote for a budget which spends almost 65 percent on one item without a referendum. She called me down for the error in the June 12 meeting. When I went back and listened to the recording of the June 6 meeting, I heard her add that caveat, which I had not heard originally.
Well that ain't no fun.
Jane's right. Hope the cheerleadin' squad fer the hometeam is warmin' up!
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