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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 02:32 pm |
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I have a bullhorn to donate!
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 02:33 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Long discussion on the proposed truck for the town. Thats when BS made a motion to sell the property on Summerfield Rd to pay for the truck. Bob jumped in with his motion to build the municipal building.
I heard that BS said she would rather call in volunteers to haul things the town might need to haul.
Interesting how she doesn't know the volunteers even exist until she needs to fight something. Doesn't she know that Summerfield volunteers are an endangered species due to her constant berating and sideshow antics?
Pappy, if we have a town emergency please tell your family to sit tight and wait to be saved while you pick up the town's emergency generator in your pickup truck and haul it where it needs to go.
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 02:34 pm |
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Baseball Buddy wrote: I have a bullhorn to donate!
Too funny BB!
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 02:58 pm |
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Someone just forwarded an email to me from the SF PTA Prez asking for attendance at the June 22 TC meeting... Thanks!
BB, please make the SRA folks aware that 2 of the council members have a history of dragging things out and wasting time in meetings so that the majority of the public and people with kids will go home and not be in attendance when the issue they really wanted to hear finally comes up.
Tell them to bring a pillow and a blanket and stick it out.
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 03:03 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
Pappy, if we have a town emergency please tell your family to sit tight and wait to be saved while you pick up the town's emergency generator in your pickup truck and haul it where it needs to go.
Hee hee! Maybe we should keep the generator hooked up to the sound system so we can hear any upliftin' speeches durin' the time o' crisis. Maybe record 'em to give the survivors somethin' to look forward to. Simulcast en Español!
But seriously, I wonder about their thinkin' an' their priorities some days. Seems to be a very curious disconnect with reality from time to time. Are we sure they're talkin' 'bout the same town? Should we casually bring that question up in the next meetin', you know, just to confirm they're really talkin' about Summerfield? Might be worth checkin'...
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 03:07 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
Someone just forwarded an email to me from the SF PTA Prez asking for attendance at the June 22 TC meeting... Thanks!
BB, please make the SRA folks aware that 2 of the council members have a history of dragging things out and wasting time in meetings so that the majority of the public and people with kids will go home and not be in attendance when the issue they really wanted to hear finally comes up.
Tell them to bring a pillow and a blanket and stick it out.
That is a very good point, Crackah!
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 03:48 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
Someone just forwarded an email to me from the SF PTA Prez asking for attendance at the June 22 TC meeting... Thanks!
BB, please make the SRA folks aware that 2 of the council members have a history of dragging things out and wasting time in meetings so that the majority of the public and people with kids will go home and not be in attendance when the issue they really wanted to hear finally comes up.
Tell them to bring a pillow and a blanket and stick it out.
Boy are you ever right. I don't know if it is just that these two like to argue, or if they really think they are going to learn these dumb ole council members something after all.
The closed session kept the 13 citizens in attendance sitting for two hours. As the council members took their places, Dwayne held the meeting up yet again by downloading, or uploading or dumping or something. He asked Sandra if he could use her computer. Doesn't he have a computer of his own for tasks of this nature. I would imagine that other council members are not borrowing the computer that belongs to the paper to take care of town business. Anyway whatever he was doing, he held the meeting up even further. All other council members were ready to resume the meeting. UGH UGH!!
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 04:13 pm |
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| SRA, PTA, Friends, and family will be at this meeting. Ol' Duncan, Sue, and Mom will be in for a big suprise when they hear from all these mad mommies. You know kids can't vote and I think this is the only reason these 2 act the way they do. But I know some of the kids in a few years will be able to vote. Who does BS and DC think these 800 kids of SRA are going to vote for. Just some food for thought if your looking on BS&DC
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 11:04 pm |
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From the NWO website:
Specific expenditures discussed by the council included paying the mayor and council members a stipend each month to compensate them for time spent at meetings and conducting town business, purchasing a used truck for town use, and the proposed expenditure of $1.1 million to buy land and develop it as athletic fields.
Does anyone else think it's odd that there was never talk of PAYING our council members until BS and DC joined the council??
Don't get me wrong. Most of them deserve the pay. I just think the timing is interesting.
Something's rotten in Summerfield.
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 11:22 pm |
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I've read the postings regarding last night's TC meeting and couldn't help but make a few observations.
First, I hope that during the long intermission while Council went into closed session, that everyone had a chance to go look at the newly finished playground next to the Community Center. Assembling it was a bigger project than what I would have envisioned and I'm glad we had so much help playing in the mud.
Was is known ahead of the meeting that a closed session was going to happen or was it an unexpected request? If it was known ahead of time, I would think that that information could have been shared which would have helped those citizens that attended the meeting. I hate to be cynical, but if it was sprung as a surprise, was this a deliberate attempt to prolong the start of the meeting so as to drive away people from the meeting?
It was also mentioned that Mr Crawford further delayed the start of the meeting with his computer problems. Seems to me that this should have been a personal issue that should have not delayed the meeting. If he can't get his computer to work then that's his problem, not everyone elses, and it is not reasonable to delay the meeting because of it. Unless (putting cynical hat on) this was another part of a delay tactic.
It was interesting reading the comment that Ms Strickland requested help from community volunteers in doing the hauling work. I understand that Mr Crawford has also in the past made comments that he hopes to get volunteers to help. I certainly missed seeing either of them when we were building the playground 2 weekends ago. My point is, as elected members of Town Council, the community looks upon them as community leaders. And as such, all members of Town Council should be leading from the front and setting the example. Their presence at work events such as the playground construction, or the volunteer appreciation event, or at Founders Day would be welcome and would help tremendously in showing that the Council is a team there to serve the interests of everyone in the community.
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 11:55 pm |
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Glad you asked Crackah, There was talk of paying the council which I think is a good idea. Keep in mind the amounts that they were discussing were not a lot of money, but it ranged from 100.00 to 500.00 per month. The town did research what other towns were paying and the numbers are quite a blur after all of the discussion. We would be paying low in comparison to other towns of our size, but considering they have never been paid before......
I understood that the fee was not to pay for the time spent at town meetings, but to cover the cost of visiting people in the community on town business, the cost of ink for their printers, mileage, etc.
I think the they were talking 150 for the council and 200 for the Mayor. They had said 100.00 for the council, and Becky said that was not enough. There was some discussion that took place, well maybe it was an argument about 1099s and W2 Forms and how BS woud come out the best tax wise personally.
Scuba Jane could you please help with this, I really cannot remember what happened in the argument, OK I drifted. I don't know what happened but when she started arguing that she knew what she was talking about I picked up my copy of "The History of Door Hinges" and started reading. I keep it with me just in case she rambles.
Scuba Jane, or Mike I do have two questions that you might be able to answer since you have served on council.
Question 1
If they are being paid a salary to be a town employee does that mean that the town will no longer have to continue to make them copies of everything and print everthing out for them? Wouldn't this now fall under their own expenses. I really don't want my tax dollars to pay for something twice. If we are allotting money for them to do this themselves then we are paying for someone to do this for them at town hall aren't we paying for it twice?
Question 2
If BS had the argument about the 1099s and W2 Forms and argued how it was going to effect her personal taxes then does this tell us that she is out for BS and not the town?
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Posted: Jun 13th, 2006 11:59 pm |
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| BTW Scuba Jane next time I pass you a note in class don't give me THE MAMA look and then pass the note to your daughters. Hee hee.
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Posted: Jun 14th, 2006 12:06 am |
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Just read your post, and in the words of Pappy and Crackah...........
You are my Hero!!!!
Well said WB!!!!!!
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Posted: Jun 14th, 2006 01:19 am |
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WB- BS asked to have the closed session put at the beginning of this meeting at the regular town council meeting the Tuesday before. Said she had to know what Michaels contract and compensation was going to be before she could discuss the budget. But 2 hours for heavens sake!!! They should have been able to write a whole new contract in that length of time. Very disrespectful to the public also I thought.
Lacka- Sorry abut the Mama look but I had to share the note. It was pretty funny. I think what was being discussed about W2versus 1099 was if they only got a $100 then on a W2 it would cost them more in taxes then it would be worth.
I do think though that the same sort of compensation was mentioned last year and the cc's screamed bloody murder about the council being a tax and spend council. . I guess it is different when you are the person attending the meetings.
As to the copies, the way I understand our mayor/council form of fovernment,no council member can request work from the staff without it being approved by the mayor. So actually there should be very little of that going on. But that it does not apply to is the public and I understand the request for information under the freedom of information act from the CC's continues unabated and is part of the reason for us tax payers footing the bill for another part time person. Latest request is 5 pages of single typed lines of requests for documents. We have one planner, One clerk and on administrator for 8,100 people and this type of foolishness continues. I can not imagine what all this has cost us tax payers over the last 2.5 years. They should be reaching critical mass by now.
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Posted: Jun 14th, 2006 02:57 am |
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WB wrote: It was also mentioned that Mr Crawford further delayed the start of the meeting with his computer problems. Seems to me that this should have been a personal issue that should have not delayed the meeting. If he can't get his computer to work then that's his problem, not everyone elses, and it is not reasonable to delay the meeting because of it. Unless (putting cynical hat on) this was another part of a delay tactic.
I just wanted to clarify what was going on with Dwayne and my computer. At the council meeting on June 6, the town's recording equipment quit working. Dwayne has a little recording device that he uses to record the meeting for his personal use. While it's not required by law to have a recording of the meetings, it does make it easier on the clerk when she has to go back and reconstruct the meeting in order to do the minutes (especially when it's a 5 1/2 hr. meeting like they had that night).
Dwayne volunteered to let the town use his recording. The only problem is that his device only has capacity for about 4 hours of recording before it is full. As a favor, he asked me if he could download or "dump" the stuff off his device onto my computer.
The same thing happened Monday night because the town's recording equipment was not yet fixed. After that extremely long executive session, no one knew how long the regular meeting would last, so Dwayne used my computer to transfer the information (this time he had brought his own storage device along, but he still had to use my computer in order to do so). So while it may have appeared that Dwayne was delaying the meeting because he had some kind of "technical difficulties," actually just the opposite was true -- he was doing the town a favor by letting them use his recording device.
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