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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 11:39 am |
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Strickland and Crawford are forever saying that they represent ALL the citizens of Summerfield. Where are these people who want a NO vote to everything? The same handful of their supporters show up at every meeting. The talk around town is that people are weary of being told what they don't want.
Good job Jane, Mike and all who spoke for the future. And how about Dana...Wow!
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 12:26 pm |
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Waytogo, I have a copy of the budget and it looks like $12,000 is in for Phase 2 grant request/construction and that there is $42,500 in operating expenses for the park and Summerfield school track.
I thought the statement presented by one of the speakers about setting up adult leagues so that everyone could learn teamwork was just great. I am surprised that BS voted against the budget. At the last council meeting she looked out to the crowd and asked who was for an issue and who was against and then voted with the majority. Well there was no doubt what the majority wanted last night. The other funny thing was that there was no discussion about the town truck, which bs and dc seemed to very against. I figured dc would vote for the budget so he could get his av equipment. I tell you what, but that av equipment better be super special for the amount of money I am having to spend on it. We better have the best heard, best recorded council meetings in the state.
I take offense to Dwayne pretending that he is trying to speak for all the people. A portion of that money is mine sitting in the bank and I want to spend it for the town. I think a recreation center is a good idea. I also think that buying land with the future in mind is a great idea. Look at how the country park in Greensboro has evolved. It has a dog park and a dirt bike track as well as the small zoo and ponds. Land is only going to get more expensive and scarce so we should buy it while we can and if we can do it on a $0.04 property tax then more power to us.
Once again I think if DC and BS really got out in community and met the people (all the people not just the concerned citizens) they would have a better understanding on what this town wants.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 12:47 pm |
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Unfortunately, it seems to me that the battle will never end. Becky and Dwayne are simply going to always oppose anything that requires spending money (unless of course it's something that they personally want, like AV equipment); they may mask their arguments behind other objections, but the bottom line is, "We don't want to give anything, we don't want anything in return." Actually, though I don't agree with their hardcore and consistent stance on this issue, I respect their right to have their opinions and applaud them for finding such a simplistic way to make decisions on our behalf -- if it has to do with spending money, don't do it, period. No agony over what the people want, or what's best to help us move forward as a town. What I regret most is that they have been elected to represent all of us in Summerfield when in fact the majority do not share their views about "want nothing, get nothing."
What I believe I heard last night from most people who spoke was, "We don't just want to live in a country setting and be left alone -- we want to live in a community. We understand that being a part of a community comes with responsbility and we're willing to do our part, pay taxes (obviously, not without limits), volunteer and work together for the bettterment of the community. In turn, we want our elected officials to use wisdom in judgment, and be responsible with our tax dollars while being responsive to our desire for services."
They just don't get it, and I'm afraid they never will. That's reflected in their nose-snubbing when it comes to participating in community events like the town's Christmas tree lighting, Founders' Day, volunteer workdays at the community park, etc. And it's apparent in their vote -- they want to be in their elected positions so they can fight for everything we shouldn't do and can't do. That's not leadership, and it's certainly not fair representation.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 01:07 pm |
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I was shocked when Dwayne threw in a last minute curve ball about revenue bonds, admitting he just read about it in the past 1/2 hr.
The subject has been around for years, the town can easily afford it, the community wants it, and in the last 10 minutes before a vote will be called, Dwayne comes up with a complete directional change that would throw the responsibility for repaying these bonds onto the SRA. Pathetic.
Not sure who the lady was that misrepresented coaches being paid, but you'd think people would do their homework up front before making statements like that in front of a group of people, and on public record. Not a way to gain credibility.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 01:13 pm |
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Thanks Waytago an' Jane fer the great reports! Well said!
Pappy is happy!
I'm happy about the ballfields fer the young'uns, but I think I'm even happier about what a great bunch o' folks we got around here!
Thanks to the fine folks on the council, Mark, Dena, Bob, an' Carolyn! Once ag'in y'all did our town PROUD! Kicked them bullies off the playground! Hee hee!
Bond referendum!!!??? Maybe that works in make-believe Dwayne's World-Dwayne's World, but this is Summerfield, son. Do you really think engagin' in yer little personal fantasies is what people want you to be doin' with yer time on the council?
Jane an' Mike, you two have done more good for this town before, durin' an' after the election than those two ever have. Pappy's proud o' you both! You had my vote then an' you have it now!
Thank goodness more an' more people are startin' to see the pitiful CC bunch fer what they are.
They promised fiscal responsibility, but they deliver waste.
They promised responsible gover'ment, but they deliver a side show.
They promised to listen to the people, but it's only the people recitin' the scripts they themselves wrote that they "hear"!
They promised to work fer you, but they don't mean you, they mean them.
Reckon ol' Shakespeare nailed 'em, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 01:27 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Not sure who the lady was that misrepresented coaches being paid, but you'd think people would do their homework up front before making statements like that in front of a group of people, and on public record. Not a way to gain credibility.
Perhaps on a minor note, but nevertheless emphasizing the importance of getting the facts straight, she quoted a line from the Dire Straits song as, "Money for Nothing and the Kicks for Free." Come on -- get it right if you're going to quote it -- it's "Chicks for Free."
I love Dire Straits!
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 01:47 pm |
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I admire Patti for standing up and speaking (even though she didn't originally know what she had signed up for. ) Her thoughts were articulated very well and express the desires of many who also have no children but think ball fields are a good thing for kids.
I personally would be insulted if Dwayne's proposal was okayed. Parents already pay a fee (although it is low) to be on a team (I don't know exactly how much, so maybe somebody can tell me. When my kid played, it was something like $70 for the season). If you charged all SRA participants $25 a month, that would be $300 a year. What about parents who have 2 or 3 children participating in SRA sports. If I had 3 kids and had to pay $900 per year for them to play ball, unfortunately they wouldn't be playing.
Where did that lady get the info about the SRA hiring coaches? You could hear the SRA people snickering because the idea was so crazy. That's not what the SRA is about. Some people just don't get it.
Patti says she loves Dire Straits. That's exactly what the town would be in if they did what the CCs were asking for. As Dana pointed out, they'd be bankrupt, depending on the different scenarios presented, between 2019 and 2025.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 02:24 pm |
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EditorPS wrote:
Perhaps on a minor note, but nevertheless emphasizing the importance of getting the facts straight, she quoted a line from the Dire Straits song as, "Money for Nothing and the Kicks for Free." Come on -- get it right if you're going to quote it -- it's "Chicks for Free."
I love Dire Straits!
Amen, Patti! Pappy loves Dire Straits too!
Your comments on community an' responsibility hit the nail on the head!
Differin' opinions are OK an' expected, but Dwayne an' Becky, y'all need to stop makin' war an' join the community! You can still disagree, just don't duct tape yer disagreement to a hand grenade.
"And we have just one world
But we live in different ones...
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms..."
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 07:03 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote:
Cracker and Laccka I know you must have some comments. what did I miss?
Lacka is just sittin back thinking. You know how I get a little quiet sometimes. You will hear from me before the night is over.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 07:12 pm |
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Hoo boy, are you guys going to hate what I'm going to write but here goes.
Ms Strickland and Mr Crawford are TC members. They got the most votes in the last election, theirs' were the campaign signs I saw the most of, they worked hard for it, and they won. So we have to respect the fact that more Summerfield citizens voted for them than anyone else. Just have to accept that fact.
That being said, I didn't vote for them and I don't agree with their positions or tactics. But I'm just a lowly citizen and only one vote. However, as a former officer of my employer's Political Action Committee, I can predict that both need to moderate their positions or it will be quite difficult for either of them to win reelection or to possibly get another CC elected.
I fully support the need for parks and especially for active recreation areas such as ballfields. I don't feel that this should be looked at as a town expense, but as a necessary capital investment in the community. It is an investment in the facilities that a community such as ours is morally obligated to provide for our families. And it doesn't matter if your family has children or not. This is a necessary investment for the benefit of the entire community which will help preserve and enhance property values.
There is a grain of logic in Mr Crawford's idea and proposal regarding revenue bonds. I would go about it in a different manner though. I don't like the idea of drawing down the town's kitty as much as what is going to be required to make these investments. What I would do would be to propose instead of cutting the taxes down to level approved, to raise them back up to 10 cents where they were 2 years ago and use the difference to start bringing the town kitty back up to where it is now. Since the revenue the town gets from Guilford County is determined by how much property tax is levied, this tactic would mean that Guilford County would also be helping in this investment in that we would be getting more of our own money back from the county instead of sending it to Greensboro. Doing this would help us keep our nice financial cushion and avoid having to pay underwriting fees and interest expense.
Hope Jane doesn't smack me too hard at the next Parks meeting.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 07:18 pm |
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Kudos to the council for doing the right thing. Democracy works. Even though youth sports will have no direct impact on my family I can't think of a better use of town resources than to provide adequate facilities for those activities. The spirit and sense of community that is created at youth sporting events is a very important part of what binds us together and gives us an identity as a town.
The core issue that goes way beyond specific projects like ball fields, garbage collection, water systems and the like is this - What kind of town do we want to lve in? I don't want our highest ambition as a town to be a low tax rate. I don't like wars but some things are worth fighting for. I don't like taxes but some things are worth paying for. I want to live in a town that promotes a sense of community by funding projects that enhance the common good. Yes, our resources are limited and we need to use them wisely - in the case of the ball fields I think we did.
If you get your kicks from chicks I guess the speaker was correct -
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 07:38 pm |
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| Hagan-Stone Park may be located in Pleasant Garden, but Bur-Mil Park is just 3.5 miles from the Summerfield town hall -- and BOTH Hagan-Stone & Bur-Mil are owned by Guilford County and maintained by Greensboro Parks & Rec. Bur-Mil does have a Greensboro address, but it's practically in Summerfield and Hagan-Stone Park serves more than just those that live in Pleasant Garden, it's also serves those in Climax, Julian, SE Greensboro, and even areas just over the Randolph county line.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:06 pm |
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WB wrote:
Ms Strickland and Mr Crawford are TC members. They got the most votes in the last election, theirs' were the campaign signs I saw the most of, they worked hard for it, and they won. So we have to respect the fact that more Summerfield citizens voted for them than anyone else. Just have to accept that fact.
I hear what you're sayin', WB.
I also accept the fact that I can't breathe underwater, but I can hold my breath an' get by fer a little while.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:16 pm |
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WB I do agree that BS and DC got the most votes but I think you have to earn respect. Getting votes does not prove anything except you convinced more people then the other person did to vote for you. There are too many elected officials serving time for me to think getting elected means they automatically deserve respect. I think you earn respect by your good deeds and leadership ability.
As far as being a lowly citizen you are a voter and a valuable volunteer in this town which gives you a lot of status in my eyes.
I promise not to carry any sharp objects to the parks meeting.
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Posted: Jun 23rd, 2006 08:26 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Not sure who the lady was that misrepresented coaches being paid, but you'd think people would do their homework up front before making statements like that in front of a group of people, and on public record. Not a way to gain credibility.
I didn't attend the meeting last night, but I do know that there is a rumor floating around Guilford county about the SRA considering hiring coaches because some parents would rather watch from the bleachers instead of volunteering to coach a team. If this is not true, then we should be finding out who got the rumor going, where they got the information and get it stopped.
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