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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 03:32 pm |
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I am sorry (for her) that Becky is supposedly not reading the NWO anymore and especially that she's supposedly not reading the forum. However, I don't believe it for a second, (You know it's wise to keep your enemies close and she's no dummy) but if she wants to play the little childish "sticks and stones I'm not listening to you game", then so be it.
Dwayne was very wise to admit that he reads it "occassionally"... That way if he ever slips up in public......you know.
Dwayne, I know you are reading and I really think you can gain some good insight here. I would still welcome you to the forum (I'd even pull out one of my smiley welcome signs) if you decide to join us.
The NWO and NWO forum represent the views of many citizens and Becky saying that she doesn't read them tells me that she doesn't care what our views are... or at least the views of folks who don't agree with her. Not good for a public official.
Have you ever considered that the poor people who voted for her were just ignorant, misguided individuals and didn't mean for us to get into this mess and the concerned citizens really don't have any followers???
Is that why they are so poorly represented on here?
Sandra, I don't think anyone who has posted here since the election with opinions differing from the loudmouths on here can honestly say that they have been attacked on this forum. (examples: donw, scoutnc) OTHER than bill(wepete)... who seems to enjoy a good written battle now and again, and might even instigate one occasionally, and I don't really worry about him because he is sufficiently equipped to handle anything we can throw at him. His knowledge of town history and subjects near and dear to Summerfieldians is invaluable when he chooses to share it.
We do appreciate you Bill.
We will continue to try to get the word out about the forum. And we will continue to do our best to see you defeated in the next election Becky, (Cause I know you are reading too...) unless you give us a reason not to. So far you have not given us that reason.
Hey! maybe you CC's could put some info about this forum in one of your mailings!
That would really help to increase our readership. Thanks!
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StewartM
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 04:06 pm |
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Cracker after all of that I can only say " WELL SAID"
well maybe one more thing
If you our representing the citizens why would you not read the Town paper. Thanks for reading Dwayne at least you don't close your eyes to the citizens.
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S. Smith
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 05:37 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Tapin' at meetin's.
Whether 'tis proper for individuals to tape record durin' meetin's was brought up durin' the Town Core meltdown, but I reckon it needs to be cussed, I mean discussed here in the Town Council forum.
Pappy did a little Googlin' on the subject whilst my coffee beans was boilin' and found some different opinions aroun' the country concernin' tapin' at meetins'.
One bunch says it's a public meetin' an' tapin' ought to be allowed.
The other bunch says only the governin' body involved should be allowed to do the tapin' so ever'body ends up with the same official version. One place in Tejas made a ordinance against individual tapin', so there is a precedent for it.
Pappy sees three problems with individual tapin'. One: A man had ought to be able to talk to the person beside him, sotto voce like, and not worry about some techno geek audio voyeur with a mini directional parabolic diabolic microphone pickin' up what ought to be a private conversation. Two: I don't want any taped version altered an' then passed around as the real thing tellin' folks this is what was said. They could do that with the official version too, o' course. Three: If someone's tapin' somebody else, the people bein' taped ought to know they're bein' taped and by whom. ("Whom?" What's in them beans, Pappy? Javajavajavajavajava.)
Considerin' the possibilities for abuse with individual tapin' or the appearance of abuse, which can be just as damagin', Pappy is leanin' toward agreein' with the second bunch that wants to ban individual tapin'. Also considerin' the level of mistrust between two factions in the town, allowin' tapin' might what they call exacerbate that situation. 'Course bannin' it could cause a ruckus too.
It's a worrisome subject worthy of ponderin.'
Here's what I've been able to turn up on this subject so far.
According to the N.C. Open Meetings Law:
§ 143-318.14. Broadcasting or recording meetings
(a) Except as herein below provided, any radio or television station is entitled to broadcast all or any part of a meeting required to be open. Any person may photograph, film, tape-record, or otherwise reproduce any part of a meeting required to be open.
Again please remember that I'm not an attorney, and I don't play on on TV, in the newspaper, or anywhere else. There may be other info out there about this, so I'll continue to research.
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StewartM
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 05:42 pm |
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Sandra do you charge $200 a hour....Did you interview for the Summerfield job??
Law Forum of Sandra Smith Last edited on Feb 16th, 2006 05:44 pm by StewartM
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bama80
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 07:57 pm |
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| Hopefully if it was ever brought up, one would have to cite the official taping rather than their personal one. For example, they could listen to their own for reference but if it was used for any other purpose, they would use the official one. If they used their own taping, it should be challenged as suspect. Of course, in Summerfield's case, official may/may not be used loosely.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 08:10 pm |
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Here's somethin' interestin'.
This is from:
http://www.ncopengov.org/openmeetingslaw.html#record
Does a citizen have the right to address a public body?
No. You have a right to attend and listen. You do not have a right to talk to the public body or participate in its deliberations.
Am I readin' that right?
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 08:15 pm |
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Apparently the good people o' Willow Park, Texas went a differ'nt route. Things is harsh down yonder in Tejas.
This is from:
http://www.willowparktx.org/Ordinances/ORDINANCE%20220-86.pdf
NOW, THEREFORE, LET IT BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WILLOW PARK, TEXAS:
See. 1. that the video tape recording for public or private use of any meeting of the Willow Park City Council, whether such meeting is held in its regularly scheduled time or a special called meeting or a workshop meeting, shall be prohibited; save and except that the Council may cause to be video taped or recorded its meetings.
See. 2. Any person, firm, possessor, owner, association or corporation violating any provision of this ordinance shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon final conviction thereof fined in an amount not to exceed One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00). Each and every day any violation continues or is allowed to exist shall constitute a separate violation and shall be punishable hereunder.
Sec. 3. The City Secretary is hereby authorized and directed to cause publication of the descriptive caption and penalty clause hereof an as alternative method of publication provided by law.
AND IT IS 30 ORDERED.
Passed this 12 day of AUGUST , 1986, by a vote of 4 to 0 .
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 08:41 pm |
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Calling Sky Captain! Calling Sky Captain!
Code SMU98! Repeat: Code SMU98!
Got yer ears on, good buddy, come on?
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 08:51 pm |
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Billyboy wrote:
There's merit to not allowing unauthorized taping, but only if an official, unedited, version is published.
Unedited! Exactly!
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 09:14 pm |
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Who cares who is taping a public meeting. The only official recording is the valid one being completed by Diane. Just thought I would throw my 10 cents in this one. 
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 10:46 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
I am sorry (for her) that Becky is supposedly not reading the NWO anymore and especially that she's supposedly not reading the forum. However, I don't believe it for a second, (You know it's wise to keep your enemies close and she's no dummy) but if she wants to play the little childish "sticks and stones I'm not listening to you game", then so be it.
The NWO and NWO forum represent the views of many citizens and Becky saying that she doesn't read them tells me that she doesn't care what our views are... or at least the views of folks who don't agree with her. Not good for a public official.
Well spoken Cracker. I don't believe her either. I think she reads the NWO from cover to cover, and is one of the regular lurkers on these forums.
Otherwise, why would she have put the comment about the "naysayers" in her letter stating she decided all on her own that the taxpayers should foot her vacation to Rocky Mount.
Dwayne - there's still hope for you, you seem to be able to think on your own, just wish you'd join us here
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 10:51 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
Have you ever considered that the poor people who voted for her were just ignorant, misguided individuals and didn't mean for us to get into this mess and the concerned citizens really don't have any followers???
Agreed
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 10:53 pm |
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donw wrote:
Who cares who is taping a public meeting. The only official recording is the valid one being completed by Diane. Just thought I would throw my 10 cents in this one.
You're prob'ly right, Don. It just made me nervous when I first heard about Dwayne tapin'. It sort of looks like a moot point anyway, from what Sandra dug up. I had visions o' somebody zoomin' in on private conversations amongst the spectators when they weren't aware they were bein' recorded an' such.
Maybe the type o' abuse I'm thinkin' about is a separate issue from this anyway. Pappy can live with it either way, I reckon.Last edited on Feb 16th, 2006 10:58 pm by FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 11:12 pm |
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Interesting; a voice analyzer lie detector for your PC...
http://www.ukuug.org/newsletter/71/news@uk71-9.shtml
For $150 or so you can now buy your own PC-based lie detector – a voice analyzer more accurate, according to its inventors, than the traditional polygraph.
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 11:45 pm |
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OK, one more an' I'll get away from the computer for awhile an' go have a healthy, nutritious supper.
The whole problem here is not really technology. It's trust.
My first reaction when I heard about Dwayne tapin' was, "What's he up to?" An' I really hated that bein' my first reaction.
As long as Dwayne an' Becky stay behind their Great Wall o' Chiney, protected from us bloodthirsty savages, we'll never get to know 'em an' never get to trust 'em an' they'll never really be a part of the community they're claimin' to serve. The trouble with walls is, they keep some trouble out, but they also keep you in. Your mighty refuge suddenly becomes a prison.
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