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Posted: Feb 11th, 2006 09:46 pm |
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Jane, I have every reason to believe you are correct. I remember the rezoning of the corner of Lake Brandt and 150. A council member said the Commercial Needs Assessment said the corner should be commercial. It was rezoned from AG to one of the most intensive zonings in Summerfield. The problem was the CNA stated it needed to be low impact commercial and the council failed to recognize that small detail. They can do the same thing with the LTP, In fact they can do it with the ordinance.
But if what you are after is stopping McDonalds, or Exxon, or Wal-Mart, or whatever unpopular business de jour why in the world do you want to force folks to have sidewalks and parking and traffic and commercial and something other than what they intended to live near when they spent a big chunk on a home and set out to establish roots. Seems like you'd just make the bad boys persona non grata and let the bystanders be.
Remember how much you hated the idea of being annexed into Summerfield when it would have absolutely no effect on how you lived your life or enjoyed your home? Think some of those folks on Summerfield Road feel even more intensely about the TC district and changes being forced on them?
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 11th, 2006 10:55 pm |
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For somebody with no dog in the fight, wepete, I sure hear a lot of barkin' an' whinin', you petulant pup. Mostly whinin'. Audio from DC! Congratulations. Relationships are important.
Wouldn't the concerns of the lady who spoke at the meetin' an' also your buddy who erroneously thought he'd have to tear down his rock wall be better served by havin' a plan that further clarifies the LTP and preserves the small town character of the town core? How does quotin' the LTP Draft #4 negate anything Jane has been sayin'?
Change is goin' to happen one way or another, isn't it? Shouldn't we try to guide that change?
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 12:45 am |
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"I hate that I missed the meeting from which DC forwarded me some audio."
Bill I am concerned where DC got his audio. Since the lady from Tannery road was in the audience and not up at the microphone where did DC get the audio? Surely it is not legal for him to be taping the meeting with out our knowldege? Where are the microphones? Is this an example of the fair open government we can expect?
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wepete
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 04:59 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: For somebody with no dog in the fight, wepete, I sure hear a lot of barkin' an' whinin', you petulant pup. Mostly whinin'. Audio from DC! Congratulations. Relationships are important.
Wouldn't the concerns of the lady who spoke at the meetin' an' also your buddy who erroneously thought he'd have to tear down his rock wall be better served by havin' a plan that further clarifies the LTP and preserves the small town character of the town core? How does quotin' the LTP Draft #4 negate anything Jane has been sayin'?
Change is goin' to happen one way or another, isn't it? Shouldn't we try to guide that change?
Wow! I had nearly finished a long detailed response to you in which I not only answered your comments with such precision and clarity world peace would surely follow, I had even neatly wrapped in a sly little slam regarding your comments on Sunday morning reflections yet slipping in still another flame. Then without warning something wrapped my port and would not let me access mysql (if the web master is reading it was line 25). I had to reboot and all was lost. So I give. Once again I fall victim to your rapier wit and desire to flame. Atta Boy Pappy!
Me thinks I have established my desire to plan. 'Nuff said on that!
Don't think I said it was his wall... but if your are gonna have flat straight sidewalks sufficiently far enough from the road to offer some safety then something like bushes, walls, flowers, trees, is gonna go. Take a drive and look
And yes... relationships are important. Heck, I even talk to folks who post incorrect assumptions as fact, consistently flame folk, even folks who have lied and called others liars (when they were not). Never know when someone might let you know something like the head planner consistently wrote that without resources that were not available any version of the TC district would fail. Now ain't that a show stopper?
YES OR NO: Is it true you have a financial interest in land in the TC district that may see a significant value increase if it is served by water and sewer?
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 05:09 pm |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Surely it is not legal for him to be taping the meeting with out our knowldege? Where are the microphones? Is this an example of the fair open government we can expect?
I don't know... You'd need to ask a lawyer about it being legal. My assumption would be a public meeting that uses recorded minutes as the official record would be public domain. The minutes certainly are public documents and as long as they are not altered with the altered copy being misrepresented as accurate I would guess they are freely distributable in whole or in part.
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 06:23 pm |
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bill... We are all trying to LEARN about the town core plans and have asked some good questions here.
We are trying to be careful not to assume the word of the council members OR the word of the woman on Tannery who spoke at the meeting is the gospel.... We are trying to understand the concerns of the residents who live near the Town Core.
You have the ability and the knowledge to offer us great insight, but your words are lost because folks are constantly trying to figure out the hidden meaning in your flaming posts and who exactly you are trying to slam... For instance, if you think any council member is being unethical, just say so and we'll investigate it and make our own decisions.... Don't make us continually guess who you are talking about. Too much busy work....
Please stop being so negative and let's see if we can't find a solution to the problems....
YES or NO: Are you saying that a compromise between the Town Core committee and the residents is not possible???
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 06:25 pm |
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wepete wrote:
Wow! I had nearly finished a long detailed response to you in which I not only answered your comments with such precision and clarity world peace would surely follow, I had even neatly wrapped in a sly little slam regarding your comments on Sunday morning reflections yet slipping in still another flame. Then without warning something wrapped my port and would not let me access mysql (if the web master is reading it was line 25). I had to reboot and all was lost. So I give. Once again I fall victim to your rapier wit and desire to flame. Atta Boy Pappy!
Sounds like you suffered the judgment of a Higher Pappy. Hee hee! Atta boy, Higher Pappy.
Me thinks I have established my desire to plan. 'Nuff said on that!
Huh? Pappythinks you have established nothing except your own petulance at being challenged. What exactly do you want for the town core? I can't figure out what you're talkin' about. "Desire to plan"? I thought you were against plannin' an' just wanted it left alone or something? Speak up, boy!
Don't think I said it was his wall... but if your are gonna have flat straight sidewalks sufficiently far enough from the road to offer some safety then something like bushes, walls, flowers, trees, is gonna go. Take a drive and look
OK, "a" wall, not "his" wall. You're right, though, I don't want any of that torn up either. Any ideas?
And yes... relationships are important. Heck, I even talk to folks who post incorrect assumptions as fact, consistently flame folk, even folks who have lied and called others liars (when they were not). Never know when someone might let you know something like the head planner consistently wrote that without resources that were not available any version of the TC district would fail. Now ain't that a show stopper?
I like talkin' to all kinds, too. I just about always learn somethin' valuable, too. Couldn't those missin' resources be made available? Hasn't this been known about for years? What's been goin' on all these years?
YES OR NO: Is it true you have a financial interest in land in the TC district that may see a significant value increase if it is served by water and sewer?
"NO" to the question as it is stated here. So do you think land value would really go up?
How about you? What bone are you after in this, pup?
I wasn't plannin' on joinin' the town core discussion till you just kept on talkin' down to Jane like she's beneath your mightiness an' you kept puttin' in what I'm sure you must have thought were clever jabs. Let the people who live in the town core speak up. I don't have any answers except plannin' is better than not plannin.'
And one more thing..."I know you are, but what am I?" Hee hee hee!
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 06:32 pm |
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Well said, Crackah! This would be fun if it wasn't so tiresome. (Edited by SA)
Uh-oh! Pappy suffered the judgment of a Higher Super Moderator!
Last edited on Feb 12th, 2006 08:57 pm by FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 08:12 pm |
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Well folks, I'm all for a spirited discussion, but this one is going downhill fast. Can everyone please take the testosterone down one octave, and get back to the issues?
The Town Core discussion certainly provokes emotions & frustrations, which need to be out in the open.
Thanks to all who are posting, this has been greatly informative, please keep the discussion going.
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 08:49 pm |
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wepete wrote: Wow! I had nearly finished a long detailed response to you in which I not only answered your comments with such precision and clarity world peace would surely follow,
Miss Congeniality would have been proud.
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Posted: Feb 12th, 2006 09:29 pm |
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Changed my mind about this one.Last edited on Feb 12th, 2006 11:58 pm by FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 13th, 2006 11:37 am |
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| Bottom line we need a plan, too many things can happen without a plan
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Posted: Feb 13th, 2006 12:08 pm |
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| So Bill Bruce said that without sewer and water the town core couldn't go on as planned. I think Carrie made it very clear that there needed to be a town core plan and that she needed guidance and input from those involved. I still think the area needs a plan (whether I am right or wrong about what is already commercial and what is not) so that the residential areas can be protected as well as the school area.
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Posted: Feb 13th, 2006 02:01 pm |
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It sounds reasonable to think ahead in this case and not to leave things to chance or by crossing fingers. It is wise to state your desires, look towards the future and then plan your path. The residences directly involved and their “hands-on commitment” towards its design should drive this town core plan. The weight of a pink elephant moving in next door, would be mainly on its neighbors. Yes, we have zoning and Town Council final say sos, but would you want to gamble your home and happiness on the hopes that a future unidentified Town Council would see things the same way you see them? Why not plan and distinguish who your neighbors will be and what your town will look like in 5, 15 or 50 years. A well built plan will protect the residence and not harm them.
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Posted: Feb 13th, 2006 02:07 pm |
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| Well said Skiddles.
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