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Posted: Feb 8th, 2006 03:39 pm |
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Steve- Excellent job!!. Now folks lets get more "decent" people involved and keep this park moving and lets move on the ball fields. As I said about the Town Core plan last night " A Town with out a plan may not like the out comes it has." Talk about the Park at church, at the schools and in the businesses. Lets get everybody involved. We are powerful as a groupe. Lets don't lose the vision of having the best Town that we can possibly have.
Ok Cracker where is the soap box?
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Posted: Feb 8th, 2006 06:36 pm |
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Jane or Mike or anybody...... the town core plan... I am trying to understand it and why folks are so upset about it. I did not get a copy of the report handed out last night.
My understanding is as follows....
1. Whoever owns the property is going to do whatever they want on it right now as long as they comply with zoning and whatever normal regulations exist..... So theoretically someone could come in and put in a mish mosh of housing/businesses in that area.
2. The town simply wants to add some continuity to how things are developed and built. Along the lines of a Historic district where certain standards will have to be followed in order to develop the area....
Is that the gist of it?? Am I missing something??
Why in the world would that lady who spoke last night think that a parking garage would ever be needed??
I envision Mayberry when I think town core..... I never saw Andy park in a parking garage......
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Posted: Feb 8th, 2006 06:41 pm |
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| That is the way I understood the town core. I feel like she was upset that the Yost & Little business had been allowed, but if I understand it correctly there is nothing at this time that prevents someone from rezoning to commercial. I would think the town core would help preserve the residential areas and control the commercial areas. Sounds like a win win situation to me. I know that someday that area will get water and sewer and I would hate to see a lot of McMansions built on tiny lots.
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Posted: Feb 8th, 2006 11:46 pm |
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Hello, newbie here. Matter of fact this is my very first posting.
I attended last night's Summerfield TC meeting as well, at least through the Committee reports. I got the seat directly behind Mr. Atkins.
After Mr. Atkins' comments last night, there was considerable applause. It seemed curious to me that one of the people applauding was Ms. Strickland; even though many of comments made by Mr. Atkins were critical of her. Mr. Crawford was silent, but Ms. Strickland applauded. Seemed odd to me.
Also odd were the comments made by Ms. Dunham. She seemed jovial and quite reasonable in her comments (although I have to say that I loved how George Holub responded to her comment on the Park). I attended last month's Parks meeting where Ms. Dunham appeared for a very short time and she seemed almost scary, like she had big chip on her shoulder and was ready to rumble. Last night was quite different.
I wonder if anyone else had the same impressions.
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 12:11 am |
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Interestin' comments, WB. Maybe she was decent 'cause we had comp'ny in the house. Or maybe all that trainin' took. Hee hee. No clue about Mom. You know how those stage moms are. Crawford, I dunno. Slow reaction time? Good cop, bad cop?
Can you share the Holub remark?
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 01:03 am |
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WELCOME TO THE FORUMS WB!!!
Glad to have another pair of eyes and ears watching what's going on at those meetings....
I did see BS applaud. I have no idea why. Perhaps she wasn't listening. She has never had trouble not applauding in the past so who knows....
In answer to Pappy's question, and correct me if I have the wrong comment WB, but George was giving a park report and was speaking to council about the progress so far in the clean up of the dump sites that have been discovered. He stated something like we found two sites that have been cleaned up... and before he could finish, Dunham jumped up and tried to interrupt him. (She had visited the park yesterday and evidently thought she had uncovered a dump site that was unknown to George... was gonna surprise him with that info I guess)
George in turn interrupted her and forcefully said "We are not finished, ma'am!" and went on to tell about another small site they were aware of that is on the list to be cleaned up.
It was great.... GO GEORGE!!!
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 02:39 am |
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BS applaud because she got to be the center of attention. She just loves to be the news. She doesn't want to let you know that it got to her. I think Steve caught DC off guard, his Mom didn't teach him what to do if someone spoke back. George as always did a great job. Mom was wrong about the town core, they have had at least 2 advertised public meetings. She is way off trying to defend her kids.
People living in the area of the Town Core needs to attend the meetings and help guide what they want. Jane is right, you need a plan. Don't just sit back and see what happens. There needs to be guildlines.....
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 04:00 am |
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Cracker Jax wrote: Jane or Mike or anybody...... the town core plan... I am trying to understand it and why folks are so upset about it. Is that the gist of it?? Am I missing something??
Why in the world would that lady who spoke last night think that a parking garage would ever be needed??
I envision Mayberry when I think town core..... I never saw Andy park in a parking garage......
CJ, you're bringing out some valuable points here, maybe without realizing it. The SUBJECT of town core has been tossed around for so long, the DEFINITION of town core has been lost. Folks are confused, I am confused.
I stuck my foot in my mouth at the meeting, my wife asked me what the Town Core was, I told here I assumed it was to develop a "downtown" for Summerfield. Not 5 minutes later, the lady (can't remember her name) said "town core does NOT mean creating a "downtown". I got "the look".
Peggy ?? mentioned the parking garage. You envision Mayberry. I envisioned a downtown.
I think it would be helpful if the Town Core committee would take 10 minutes in the meeting to redefine what is intended for the Town Core. The concept seems to be losing support due to folks not understanding it, which is sad.
As Mike states above Scuba Jane had a great comment, which I cannot recall exactly (Jane, pls post your comment), but it was something like "Summerfield is going to grow regardless, we can either grow with a plan & control the growth, or without a plan & not have control". So very true !!!!!!
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 04:22 am |
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Steve/Cracker Jax: I found this on the Town of Summerfield web site, under planning... don't know if it helps or not....
TCD – TOWN CORE DISTRICT
Town of Summerfield Development Ordinance
ARTICLE IV
ZONING
4-1 DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED
In order to achieve the purposes of this Ordinance as set forth, all property within the jurisdiction of Town of Summerfield is divided into districts with the designations and purposes listed in Section 4-2 (District Descriptions).
4-2 DISTRICT DESCRIPTIONS
4.23H The Town Core District strives to preserve the small town character of central Summerfield and is intended to encourage residents to visit the town center. By encouraging old-fashioned neighborhoods where one encounters natural and non-intrusive mixing of commerce, residential, and civic uses, the town will provide access for the daily needs of its residents. There are two distinct areas included within the TCD, mixed and residential. TCD-Mixed includes a mixture of residential, commercial, and office uses that are compatible with each other. TCD-R is for residential uses only. These regulations are specified in Section 4-11 (Overlay District Requirements). Revisions Approved by Summerfield Town Council July 6, 2004
4-11.4 Town Core Overlay District
(A) District Established: Boundary of the Town Core Overlay District is delineated on the Official Town of Summerfield Zoning Map.
(B) Town Core District-Mixed (TCD-M) Requirements:
1) Uses: TCD-M uses are designated within the permitted use schedule as having a TCD-M designation.
2) Pedestrian Movement and Access: Adjacent non-residential uses will be linked by pedestrian access. New developments shall include sidewalks along all existing and new roads.
3) Setbacks: Setbacks from the street will be fifteen (15) feet from the front property line, or forty (40) feet from centerline of the road, whichever is greater. Setbacks are reduced to create a more enclosed, pedestrian scale. EXCEPTION: Properties fronting and accessing US HWY 220 will use underlying zoning setback requirements.
4) Building Materials: Materials such as brick, stone, wood, or other like and similar materials are required on all new construction and additions that are visible from a public right-of-way. The Governing Body may approve other building materials that meet or exceed the standards established by this ordinance.
5) Size: No single building shall be greater than 10,000 square feet of gross floor area, with a building footprint not to exceed 5,000 square feet and a height of no greater than 2 1⁄2 stories at grade, or 35 feet, whichever is greater.
6) Architectural Design: Long blank walls are discouraged. For every thirty (30) feet of building frontage, there shall be a change in front building façade, i.e. relief, elevation, design, building material, or other like distinction. The Governing Body may approve alternative building designs that meet or exceed the standards established by this ordinance.
7) Parking: Parking is discouraged in front of the building(s). Parking shall be limited to one single row in front of the building. All other parking shall be located to the side or rear of the structure(s). Adjoining commercial and institutional development is encouraged to share parking. This shall follow the standards established in article 6-2.6 Combined Parking.
8) Signage: All signage shall be limited to the Neighborhood District Standards,
Article 6-1, Sign Regulations.
(C) Town Core Residential Requirements:
1) Town Core Residential Development shall be compatible with the existing nature of residential community. The following requirements apply to new single-family construction.
a) Single-family homes will orient toward the street;
b) Accessory buildings will be constructed of the same or like materials of
residential structures and will be appropriate in scale and design; and
c) New residential dwellings will be required to plant and maintain a minimum of two canopy trees, as defined in article 6-3 Landscape Requirements.
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 04:48 am |
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Wow Vicki... Who'd have thought to look there... I feel dumb. THANKS!
I don't know about you all, but that doesn't sound too bad to me. What town money is involved?? Sidewalks?? Is that it??
After a quick read thru I still don't see a mention of a parking garage... and I can't imagine there ever being a need for such... My interpretation is more along the lines of what the Summerfield Village shopping center has... several stores sharing a parking lot when they say combined parking.... Of course I have not read article 6-2.6 referred to above.
I wish someone would contact this lady (Peggy? Sorry, I don't remember her name) and invite her in here to share her views with us. I would be interested in hearing why she is so against this plan. I'm not knocking her opinion, I just don't understand it.
A nice parking lot shared by several businesses might also help to alleviate the problem of folks parking on her grass during town events.
Hmmm... I need to study a map of the proposed town core as well. As for the Summerfield Rd. area which seemed to be her concern, there is only so much land that could be developed around there and I don't forsee a mall or anything requiring excessive parking moving in there....
Is she upset about the remodel of the Yost and Little house?? I am sorry, but I think it is beautiful (with the exception of the "not so attractive" yellow real estate magazine stand on the front porch). I would think the neighbors would welcome a quiet little business instead of something like Subway at lunchtime.....
We all definitely need to educate ourselves further on the Town Core Plan. I am afraid we may be on the verge of losing yet another wonderful vision for Summerfield.
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 05:01 am |
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Cracker Jax, I didn't mean to make you feel dumb. I look for things like this as I research for articles....just decided to check to see if it was there when you and Steve were talking about what it was. I knew Stokesdale's plan, which I know more about, includes descriptions of areas, so thought there might be something in Summerfield's.... Glad to be of help....
I'm hoping to attend a Summerfield TC meeting sometime soon. I have lots of experience with Stokesdale and would like to visit some other meetings sometime.... So far, I've had other conflicts...
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 11:24 am |
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Vickie what you are looking at is the Town Core Ordinance. What Carrie and the Town core committee are working on is a plan. Depending on what the committee recommends to council the Ordinance may have to be changed to match the plan.
These ideals come from meetings the citizens have, and then they take it to council to vote on. All the big ideals that you see the Town take action on have been give to committees of citizens. They beat the ideals to death and then makes a recommendation to council. This has been know to take years before a recommendation is made.
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 11:37 am |
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| Mike, What is the difference between ordinance and what they are talking about? Is the ordinance a guideline? I guess what I'm getting at is, if it's part of the ordinance, what is its purpose if not to help folks know what the goal is? I mean, it says some stuff about what the town core should be?
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 11:40 am |
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| The feeling I got at the TC meeting was all or nothing. Either we had a Town Core plan or the citizen from Tannery was advocating a no plan. I am afraid if the Town stops and there is no plan then we are indanger of having happen exactly what she envisions, Fast food restaurants, big parking areas. The only thing stopping this from happening now are the 5 votes on the council. So you say they know what we want so it isn't going to happen, well with out ordinances and a vision, what happens if the next council "doesn't know what we want"? What happens if Mr. Fast Food developer buys up some of the land for sale on Old Summerfield Rd. and advocates a fast food restaurant and he takes the Town to court. The judge would look at the Long Range Plan for Summerfield and conceivably allow the restaurant because we have no ordinances to stop it. I understand there is tremendous pressure right now on the Town Core from Commercial developers. What legal document does the Town have in place to protect those home owners from those pressures while allowing people to develop their land to its highest potential? Very little! This is why we need to work together to develop a plan that balances those two tensions so that the Town has a win win situation.
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Posted: Feb 9th, 2006 11:52 am |
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macca wrote: Mike, What is the difference between ordinance and what they are talking about? Is the ordinance a guideline? I guess what I'm getting at is, if it's part of the ordinance, what is its purpose if not to help folks know what the goal is? I mean, it says some stuff about what the town core should be?
A ordinance is the law, it puts the bite into a plan. The plan is a guideline. It is two different things. They are trying to come up with a plan for the Town core. Then the Ordinance will make the plan legal to enforce. We have got to have some type of plan for our future.
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