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StewartM
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Posted: Feb 15th, 2006 11:49 pm |
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| So far the new ones have not practiced what they preached. They have caused the wasteful spending of tax dollars.
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S. Smith
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 01:58 am |
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Since things are kind of quiet, this is probably as good a time as any to post this (you guys can blast me for this if you want). I went to the council's budget session on Saturday. I was kind of surprised to hear one of the council members refer to this as a "hate blog against two council members." The intention for us starting this site was not for it to be considered a "hate site" against anybody. I think the idea is for the open exchange of ideas. We certainly don't all have to agree -- in fact, it would be pretty boring if everyone did.
That being said, I'd love it if some of those who disagree with what many of you seem to think would feel comfortable enough to get on here. I'd like to see some real debating -- issues, not personalities. Any ideas on how to make that happen?
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 03:09 am |
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I can't imagine why those two would think such a thing!!!!
Ok.. I can imagine.
Since the election however, I have made an EXTREME effort to be nice to folks who come on here voicing opinions differing from the current posting majority.... I am not making excuses, cause I was pretty nasty  B.E. (before election), but I also saw the direction the forum was heading and I want everyone in the community to feel comfortable here.
I would love to see more folks with varying opinions join the forum.
I would especially like to hear from Dwayne from time to time.
That being said..... Dwayne and Becky... We do know you are reading the forum... This is the only way we know to get our thoughts and views about your actions across to you and out to the public. If no one is here defending you, we can't help it. You are the chosen leaders and I think it is up to you to blaze the trail for your followers to join the forum. We are getting pretty popular so if you want your voice to be heard it might behoove you to join our discussions....
I WOULD LIKE TO CORDIALLY INVITE DWAYNE AND BECKY AND OTHER CONCERNED CITIZENS TO JOIN THIS FORUM
I WILL PROMISE TO BE NICE (unless you continually slam volunteers) AND IN ADDITION, I WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER FORUM MEMBERS TO BE OPEN MINDED AND KIND AS WELL.
(Lots of times they actually listen to me....)
I truly have a lot of questions I'd like to ask you and I promise to do so respectfully.
oh... p.s. Being elected officials, you gotta expect a little political "ribbing" now and again, so you might not want to hang out on the MAAN forum...
Thank you Sandra for letting us know.
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macca
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 04:54 am |
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StewartM wrote:
Skiddles wrote: macca wrote: It seems that people are just engaging in discussion of issues, which I believe is healthy. I don't see the need for the personal innuendoes or questioning of anyone's motives.
YEP, well said!
I'll second that......
Speaking as the person who wrote this, and showing that there has been support voiced for my thoughts, I'd say we've already shown that we welcome diverse opinions. I cannot speak for everyone, but I truly believe, based on my experiences here, that people do welcome varied opinions. I think the only time we've experienced any kind of difficulty here is when people have felt personally attacked for expressing their opinions. I believe we all support the right of ANYONE to express their opinions here. ♥♥♥
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 11:50 am |
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Well I have thought and thought about your posting Sandra and I was going to try and take the high road like Cracker and Macca but people would then know I was lying. So here is what I think. Poor new council members who have spent the last 3 years standing up in council meetings and humiliating everybody that dared to disagree with their vision or lack of vision for Summerfield are now offended by our blogging? I really feel " not my problem." Hate blog is pretty strong for what is going on here. I think a little self important also. I think what is going on here are a lot of very literate, creative people expressing opinions about things they feel very strongly about, their Town.
Does it get intense absolutely. Do people get hurt? I would hope not. I guess I go back to the old saying about "Sticks and Stones". Do people get called for their statements absolutely but isn't that the purpose of blogging? An exchange of ideas? Bill Peterson and I have argued for years now and sometimes it gets too intense but on a blog we can just turn off the computer and walk away.
I am sorry people don't understand or feel comfortable with exchanging ideas. Will they get attacked possibly but I really don't know how you know what you really believe if you don't take it out and examine it every once in a while.
So Sandra I am sorry that people misunderstand what is going on here but again I think that is their problem not mine. I intend to exchange ideas and call people to task about things I don't agree with them on. They certainly have the right to try to point out to me the errors of my ways.
Thanks for all you do. Now if I could just figure out how to spell check I would be happy.
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Kris McNeill
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 12:13 pm |
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I am not a Summerfieldian but as the famous Macca once said, "I can play one on the internet"
My mama always said, "Don't dish it out if you can't take it!"
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Waytago
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 12:45 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote:
. If you have the audacity to disagree with them publicly or tell them something they don’t want to hear, there is no reasoned discussion.
Hmmmmmmm..........if the shoe fits????
Seems our newest TC persons don't like what they're hearing.
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 12:56 pm |
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ok... so maybe I can only speak for myself....
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StewartM
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 12:59 pm |
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Sandra this is not a hate blog. Look at all the hearts....This is a love of our Town blog, One thing the CC taught me the last few years is getting attack is part of the job of being on council. Now is seems they can't take the heat. Why are they afraid to come out of the closet and be a part of this forum. Could it be they would have to answer questions, that they are still running from. I would welcome them to the forum and not do personal attacks like the CC. But I will question their actions.
Well Becky and Dwayne we know your watching. Lets get the truth out in the open.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 01:44 pm |
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Pappy tries to take the high road from time to time too, but I'm a little scared of heights.
Crackah and Sandra I can't promise to be nice all the time, but I'll promise to try an' keep a open mind along with my open mouth. Just like Billy Jack though, sometimes I just go BERSERK!
Just so's you know, here's more or less where I stand right now.
I have never seen the CC reach out to anyone in any kind of meanin'ful two-way exchange of ideas, ever, in the whole time they've been active. Never. It's always been their own choreographed, one-sided, them-against-us, monologue. MONOLOGUE. Never a dialogue as equals. Never. Hate blog? Oh yeah, well, they started it.
Yes, I've poked fun at 'em, I've insulted 'em because frankly, I don't like 'em right now and I don't trust 'em because I've seen what they're capable of. I don't see any way to get aroun' that, except over time with open dialogue (two-sided, back and forth.) Their claim of bein' offended and callin' this blog a "hate blog" strikes me as just another in what I see as their continuin' efforts to discredit the North West Observer for speakin' out against 'em. Without the NWO and the NWO sponsored forum to speak out against 'em, they'd have it made! Is that what this is about? I don't know. But it's kind of flatterin' if it is.
Pappy recently had a heated online exchange with another forum participant, wepete, which was some about issues and some about personality. In the end, he delivered a very well thought out list of points he thought we needed to be considerin' in the town core plannin' process. We both put our little personal jabs in, (well, his were little...) which were really gettin' out of hand, but the tally at the end was on the plus side. He might disagree with that. Hee hee!
If Becky and Dwayne, or just Dwayne, or any of the Concerned Citizens can join us here, they may find out (shudder) we're not that bad and we might find out (gak) they're actually human. They've made some valid points from time to time that got lost in the blame game. They've also delivered some harsh words at others in the past claimin' the delivery style was justified and if the recipient can't take the heat, to get out of the kitchen. I think we can take it and I think we can dish it out too, but ain't none o' us leavin' this kitchen. (Unless Sandra or Patti pull the plug. D'oh!)
No humble pie, but spicy, an' fulfillin' dialogue will always be on the menu. That's DIALOGUE--conversational interplay, a exchange o' ideas BETWEEN two or more people. (Caution: contents may be hot.) Have a seat, y'all an' let's see if we can't get past some o' this mess so's we can start chawin' on the main entree. Fresh groun' pepper on that? Hee hee.
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 01:45 pm |
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| Considering the underhandedness and deceit of modern day government and politics, it's especially important that taping, sunshine laws, etc., etc., not be infringed apon. As citizens, it's important to be able to have an actual transcript of what is said, not some "doctored, redacted, PC" version that gets published. Even in Gbo, the citizens are squabblin' over what's goin' on with the police chief mess, and nobody has the real story(maybe for good reason!). However, if it's a public meeting, then it is just that - public, and if someone doesn't want something to be heard, then they probably better not say it. There's merit to not allowing unauthorized taping, but only if an official, unedited, version is published.
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S. Smith
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 02:12 pm |
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S. Smith wrote: Since things are kind of quiet, this is probably as good a time as any to post this (you guys can blast me for this if you want). I went to the council's budget session on Saturday. I was kind of surprised to hear one of the council members refer to this as a "hate blog against two council members." The intention for us starting this site was not for it to be considered a "hate site" against anybody. I think the idea is for the open exchange of ideas. We certainly don't all have to agree -- in fact, it would be pretty boring if everyone did.
That being said, I'd love it if some of those who disagree with what many of you seem to think would feel comfortable enough to get on here. I'd like to see some real debating -- issues, not personalities. Any ideas on how to make that happen?
Okay, thanks for your responses to this. I just wanted to let you know how this site is being perceived, at least by some. Also, according to Dwayne and Becky, they are NOT monitoring this site. Becky says she has never read it, nor does she intend to, and she also no longer reads our paper. Dwayne told me recently that he had not been on here since the day after the election, and things were so nasty he decided not to read any further. However, something was said recently that piqued his curiosity, so he got on again, and told me that he remembered why he had stopped reading what was being said here in the first place. He said he does continue to read parts of our paper.
I applaud those of you who have gotten on here and had the courage to say what you think, without attacking others. Open dialogue is great -- it broadens our perspective. Even if I don't agree with what someone says, it often gives me cause to ponder a particular person's point of view, to put myself in their shoes so to speak. Sometimes I remain committed to my point of view, sometimes I come around to what they think (if their argument is good enough), and often my feelings end up somewhere in the middle by incorporating some of their points with my own.
I have really enjoyed seeing some of the discourse on this site. Jane and Bill - it's great to see you two going back and forth. It reminds me of the old days when you were both on the council.
So keep it up, everybody. But as Andy Griffith would say, "Y'all be nice, y'hear?"
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S. Smith
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 02:21 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: No humble pie, but spicy, an' fulfillin' dialogue will always be on the menu. That's DIALOGUE--conversational interplay, a exchange o' ideas BETWEEN two or more people. (Caution: contents may be hot.) Have a seat, y'all an' let's see if we can't get past some o' this mess so's we can start chawin' on the main entree. Fresh groun' pepper on that? Hee hee.
Pappy - I love hot stuff! Extra Tabasco on mine please!
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macca
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 03:10 pm |
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To all my pals! I am proud of you!♥♥♥
      
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Waytago
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Posted: Feb 16th, 2006 03:17 pm |
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S. Smith wrote: "Y'all be nice, y'hear?"
Aw.......gotta give the moderators somethin' to do, don't we?????
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