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Posted: May 30th, 2006 01:23 pm |
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| Bill I do like, "flame ideas, not people." Hope you don't mind me repeating this part of your message.
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wepete
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 01:31 pm |
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| Actually, I deleted that message. You must have seen it while I was changing my mind about it. But of course I do not mind. Its not mine anyway, its one of the posted forum rules.
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FatPappy
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 01:42 pm |
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And here I was just about to congratulate you on spellin' "wringer" right, wepete.
I was talkin' about my perception of their actions as councilpeople. The foot thang was probably too much, though.
I just wish BS an' DC would somehow have more dialogue with ALL the people. Their aloofness, or perceived aloofness, is their defensive strength but it's also their weakness. I would like to see more reachin' out from them. If people understood the reasonin' behind some of their decisions an' statements, maybe the sinister aura some people see around them might start glowin' a differ'nt color. Or maybe not, but we as townspeople deserve better communication from our representatives. A far as I'm concerned, that's as much a part o' the job as gettin' somebody to copy a bunch o' papers.
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Skiddles
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 02:16 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: And here I was just about to congratulate you on spellin' "wringer" right, wepete.
I was talkin' about my perception of their actions as councilpeople. The foot thang was probably too much, though.
I just wish BS an' DC would somehow have more dialogue with ALL the people. Their aloofness, or perceived aloofness, is their defensive strength but it's also their weakness. I would like to see more reachin' out from them. If people understood the reasonin' behind some of their decisions an' statements, maybe the sinister aura some people see around them might start glowin' a differ'nt color. Or maybe not, but we as townspeople deserve better communication from our representatives. A far as I'm concerned, that's as much a part o' the job as gettin' somebody to copy a bunch o' papers.
Oh my gosh pappy .. you took the works right out of my mouth. In order not to repeat what you said I will add. It can almost be frighting to many not know what issues are taken seriously by some on the council. The council is to represent us, "the people," not just the few in our circles but everyone. If we don't hear, see or get to know them, then how are we to know what their vision is for our town? Why can't we seem to have this conversation with the people that represent us? Believe me.... I have tried, with a smile!! I went in with an open mind, but all I got in return was a lecture about taxes, wasted money and what we don't need, and all this happened with a finger pointed in my face. This is frustrating and upsetting to those that really want Summerfield to grow and care about everyone it our town. I believe when you take on a new job there is a period of time to get settled in, but now everyone should be comfortable working together and it doesn't seem this way at all. Maybe it's the word "together" that isn't working.
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FatPappy
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 03:27 pm |
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Skiddles wrote:
I believe when you take on a new job there is a period of time to get settled in, but now everyone should be comfortable working together and it doesn't seem this way at all. Maybe it's the word "together" that isn't working.
I agree, Skiddles. Nobody is ever gonna agree 100% o' the time. (Some people might disagree with that.) We heard a lot o' antagonism an' accusasions of ineptitude an' even downright criminal intent leveled at the previous council from the the Concerned Citizens. Some o' what they said may have had merit, some not so much. It was many times their methods, more than their message that was so horrifyin'. Sometimes both. Pappy understands gettin' excited about a cause an' goin' too far.
Skiddles is right, it's past time they should be tryin' to work together with their fellow councilpeople. The others are very approachable. I just ain't seen much attempt at reachin' out from the CC side o' the council toward anybody, an' until there is, there's never gonna be much group progress. In my opinion, that's a fact.
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 04:52 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Skiddles is right, it's past time they should be tryin' to work together with their fellow councilpeople. The others are very approachable. I just ain't seen much attempt at reachin' out from the CC side o' the council toward anybody, an' until there is, there's never gonna be much group progress. In my opinion, that's a fact.
You may already know this but I tried after the election to get everyone together. Lots of emails, phone calls, offers to buy coffee and breakfast, etc. I finally put DC and Patti Stokes together for what I thought was a very productive get together but all other invitees refused to even speak to each other. Its not going to change. Just yesterday I got a copy of an email where one council member called DC names and told him his desire to thank the taxpayers was wrong because we should thank the taxpayers. (yep,,, that's what they said)
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 05:19 pm |
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Skiddles wrote: The council is to represent us, "the people," not just the few in our circles but everyone.
Once upon a time in a room behind the council table the Summerfield Six met to discuss things they were not allowed to discuss in private. Upon their return, one of their number, made a motion to tell the folks what was discussed. Some of the remaining Summerfeld Five were openly against doing so. The info was only made public by the Sixth asking why they would not discuss it.
Once upon another time the Summerfield Five met by telephone and illegally agreed to an offer to buy a house and land. The Summerfield Sixth was not notified because the Five knew the Sixth would blow the whistle.
Once upon still another time, the Five did not like the results of a survey so they lied about the results until the Sixth spoke up but they continue to cover up the results to this day
Once upon... never mind it goes on and on. Point is: They have proven they do not care about us and what we want!!!!! I used to call it project dejure. I agree with Pappy... The CC delivery stunk..... but the message wasn't alll that wrong.
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 08:14 pm |
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wepete wrote:
Point is: They have proven they do not care about us and what we want!!!!!
I hope you didn't hurt yer finger poundin' out all them exclamation marks, wepete. The "they" you're speakin' of in the astonishin' quote above is the non-CC members of previous and current councils, I assume. I'd have to say the conclusion you draw, that they do not care, is not even in the same hemisphere with accuracy or accuracy's cousins.
Many times the citizens have turned a deaf ear toward the council's requests fer citizen input on project after project. Yes, mistakes have been made, but their intention to do the best they can with what they have is clear. Their love of this town is clear.
If anyone can be accused of not caring, it's all the potential voters who don't care enough to be called actual voters.
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 10:14 pm |
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| Thank you Pappy. What Wepete said was certainly hurtful to the many of us who have spent many volunteer hours trying very hard to do the right thing for this town that we all live in.
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 10:41 pm |
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| No, Jane, thank you!
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Posted: May 30th, 2006 11:57 pm |
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Just yesterday I got a copy of an email where one council member called DC names and told him his desire to thank the taxpayers was wrong because we should thank the taxpayers. (yep,,, that's what they said)
Hmm, I don't know if I'm ready to buy that. I'd like to look this calf over a little more. Uh, is that a tight paraphrase or a loose paraphrase?
(See examples below.)
Tight paraphrase: I got a email that said I could become a paralegal if I'd sign up an' send them some money.
Loose paraphrase: I got a email that said they're bettin' I'm stupid, desperate, an' have a credit card.
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Posted: May 31st, 2006 02:20 am |
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| wepete, I was surprised to learn that our council members don't care about us!!!!!!! I reckon they volunteered for the job cause they like the verbal beatings. By the way, will somebody explain the term "flame" to me?
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Posted: May 31st, 2006 02:26 am |
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wepete wrote:
Once upon a time in a room behind the council table the Summerfield Six met to discuss things they were not allowed to discuss in private.
Once upon another time the Summerfield Five met by telephone and illegally agreed to an offer to buy a house and land.
Once upon still another time, the Five did not like the results of a survey so they lied about the results
Once upon... never mind it goes on and on. Point is: They have proven they do not care about us and what we want!!!!! I used to call it project dejure. I agree with Pappy... The CC delivery stunk..... but the message wasn't alll that wrong.
Jane & Mike, I am very grateful for your many years of HONEST & dedicated service to Summerfield.
As for the current council, even though I don't particularly care for the newest two members, I still prefer to think Honesty and Integrity apply to all of them.
Last edited on May 31st, 2006 03:13 pm by Waytago
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Posted: May 31st, 2006 02:42 am |
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OK, I am going to jump in at this point and let it be known this discussion is headed the wrong way.
The forum policy states "flame ideas, not people", meaning "attack ideas, not people". The allegations above violate this policy.
This topic of "Summerfield Town Council" is and was intended for the current council, and not to revisit the real or perceived issues of past councils.
Please focus comments on the current Town Council, any "history lessons" should be relevant to the future of the town.
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Posted: May 31st, 2006 12:05 pm |
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Starcatchr wrote: By the way, will somebody explain the term "flame" to me? intentionally hateful insults what we used to call trashing.. tear it down for no reason...attacking folksLast edited on May 31st, 2006 01:43 pm by wepete
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