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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 03:04 am |
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FatPappy wrote: You have GOT to be kidding me. I'm sure Jesus would be pleased how you use one billion hungry children to win some stupid argument. You make me sick.
One thing I (and others) have learned about you Pappy, is you sure can dish it out but you sure can't take it!
I think Jesus would be gratified that any of us called attention to the suffering and needs of others. Including your own suffering obviously.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 03:08 am |
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| You missed the point again by a wide mile, Jim. You've obviously got a problem, but it's not me.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 03:11 am |
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| You need to go take a good long look in your mirror. Pulling out your Bible and refreshing your knowledge with a few words from Jesus might not hurt you any either.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 03:26 am |
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Okay, gentlemen, enough. I'm all in favor of a healthy debate, but at this point we've got the equivalent of a verbal fist fight and it's going nowhere.
Let's close the discussion on this for tonight.
Good night Pappy, good night Jim, good night Cracker, good night Macca, good night Steve, good night Skiddles, good night Jane, and good night all ...
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 12:14 pm |
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| My apologies to everyone for getting out of hand. That kind of discussion really doesn't do anybody any good and it takes away from the serious matters at hand.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 12:38 pm |
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Good Morning everyone,
Thanks for the apology, Pappy. I forgot my role as moderator last evening and allowed the discussion to go so far off course that what ended up being discussed had absolutely nothing to do with the question posed on the thread. For that, I too apologize.
For EVERYONE posting on this thread, or any thread on this forum, I will ask that you review the rules of the forum, keep your discussions civil and stay on topic. Personal mud slinging and jabbing, either toward each other or someone else - and that means ANYONE else, has no place here.
Hope each of you has a great day.
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Posted: Mar 20th, 2007 01:25 pm |
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Good morning all,
I do believe participants have the right to post anonymously. In fact, I have been so bothered by the incidents involving this forum and what I believe to be trampling of the First Amendment right to free speech that I have personally filed a complaint with the ACLU of North Carolina. I would encourage others who feel the same way to do likewise.
The complaint can be done online by going to http://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org and clicking on "Get Legal Help."
I am not an attorney, nor do I play one. For any who read this, this is my opinion only, and I in no way am trying to find anyone guilty before they are tried. I will leave guilt or innocence up to the experts to determine.
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Posted: Mar 20th, 2007 07:52 pm |
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| I hope that ths issue gets the attention it deserves. When an elected official takes his personal grudges so far as to hack into a forum's database for the sole purpose of "outing" anonymous members, something is seriously wrong. This man was elected to serve the people of Summerfield in an ethical and legal manner. When he so grossly violates the privacy and first amendment rights of the very people who elected him, it disturbs me. I hope justice is served, in whatever way it comes, be it legal action or simply a public outcry.
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 12:44 am |
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Welcome to the forum Queue!!!!!
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 01:07 am |
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Queue wrote: I hope that ths issue gets the attention it deserves. When an elected official takes his personal grudges so far as to hack into a forum's database for the sole purpose of "outing" anonymous members, something is seriously wrong. This man was elected to serve the people of Summerfield in an ethical and legal manner. When he so grossly violates the privacy and first amendment rights of the very people who elected him, it disturbs me. I hope justice is served, in whatever way it comes, be it legal action or simply a public outcry.
Hi Queue,
I'm cautious in using the word "hack," simply because it hasn't been proven yet as to how Councilman Crawford accessed information from our database. According to an e-mail that he sent me on Feb. 26, a software glitch made the information available to him ... in other words, it got dropped in his lap, so to speak. I'm not sure how, or why this information was available to him and not to others, but that could just be a coincident .... or irony .... or something else entirely. I will leave that up to others to research.
Not that how he got the information isn't important, but even IF it was dropped into his lap, I still contend that participants on this forum have a right to remain anonymous if they so choose, and that of all people, an elected official should not publicize their identity even if he discovers it. I also find it interesting that only those who have spoken in criticism of him were singled out. Guess it's okay to be anonymous as long as your thinking is aligned.
Obviously, most of the posters on this forum have the desire to be anonymous. So the questions remains, is that a right or should it be outlawed?
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 02:28 am |
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Hi Queue,
I'm cautious in using the word "hack," simply because it hasn't been proven yet as to how Councilman Crawford accessed information from our database. According to an e-mail that he sent me on Feb. 26, a software glitch made the information available to him ... in other words, it got dropped in his lap, so to speak. I'm not sure how, or why this information was available to him and not to others, but that could just be a coincident .... or irony .... or something else entirely. I will leave that up to others to research.
Not that how he got the information isn't important, but even IF it was dropped into his lap, I still contend that participants on this forum have a right to remain anonymous if they so choose, and that of all people, an elected official should not publicize their identity even if he discovers it. I also find it interesting that only those who have spoken in criticism of him were singled out. Guess it's okay to be anonymous as long as your thinking is aligned.
Obviously, most of the posters on this forum have the desire to be anonymous. So the questions remains, is that a right or should it be outlawed?
 Fair enough. I call ed it that only because I'd seen others describe it as a hack, and that seemed to be the most logical explanation to me. (I can't imagine how he just happened to find anonymous members' personal, private information by "accident". Not to say it's impossible.)
I feel that anonymity is a right that is given or taken by individual forums or groups. Some may make identification a requirement for membership. That's their right. But most sites online, at least that I've visited, allow total anonymity for any member who chooses it. I've even been to sites where posting your personal identity was against the rules, for safety reasons.
I don't see any way that online anonymity could be forcibly restricted, other than by the people who run websites. There is no compelling reason for the government to force people posting on non-government-run websites to reveal who they are. If not a violation of the first amendment, it would at least be a highly unpopular move among the online community, and would lead to greatly decreased activity on forums like this one, I'd think.
Also, even if anonymity were prohibited, who would verify that we are who we say we are? I could claim to be anyone I wanted. If I were forced to give a name for myself, who's to say that I wouldn't make one up? (Not saying I would.) Who would know? It's not practical to think that we can force people to reveal who they are. People will find ways around it. Always. If the people want anonymity, I don't think the government can stop it.
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 02:59 am |
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Queue wrote: Also, even if anonymity were prohibited, who would verify that we are who we say we are? I could claim to be anyone I wanted. If I were forced to give a name for myself, who's to say that I wouldn't make one up? (Not saying I would.) Who would know? It's not practical to think that we can force people to reveal who they are. People will find ways around it. Always. If the people want anonymity, I don't think the government can stop it.
I think you make an excellent point here Queue. Virtually impossible to police.
Someone JOKINGLY said to me to me the other day (and I won't say who  ), wouldn't it be funny to sign on to the forum and have your screen name be "Dwayne Crawford" and get on here talking about how much you support the Park and disapprove of Strickland's actions etc.... We got a good laugh out of it.
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 03:07 am |
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Hahaha that would be funny Cracka!
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 01:03 pm |
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I've held off on responding to this discussion for a long time. I'm offended that anyone (elected or not) would hack -yep, that's the term I'll use- hack into a private computer system for any reason. I'm not smart enough to think in all those computer terms. I appears to me that what this individual did was electronic breaking and entering and theft. He took information that was not his, without permission, and used it for his own purposes. If it had been a written list in a file cabinet, and the individual had broken in to the office and cabinet to acquire the list, then it would be called breaking and entering and theft. He should be charged and the justice system should decide to what degree (if any) his activities were illegal and punishment equal to the offense should follow.
Queue makes an excellent point about "outing" folks. There are countless people that do not want personal areas of their life known to the general public, or to specific individuals. That's their right. Membership in certain organizations, alternative lifestyles, association with groups or individuals, political and religious choices, or even family relations are all private matters sacred to some. There's nothing that says that a person must be an open book. We all have skeletons in closets. Who has the right to decide what information is "out there" about an individual except for that person alone. Who is Dwayne Crawford that he believes that he has a right to poke around and steal this information?
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Posted: Mar 21st, 2007 05:33 pm |
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After all that DC has done--has he been blocked from your web site? He does not deserve granted permission "only" to intentionally harasse the NW community primarily for personal gain. But, I ask--what does he have to gain other than self-humiliation?
Or does the public want him to actually read what the real people of the community have to say about this non-trust worthy town elected official?
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