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FatPappy
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 04:54 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: And you're not outraged by that?
Dwayne nor anyone else has to hack into this site to find out "who" I am. I have the courage and freedom from fear to use my real name when posting. Of course, I also have enough manners and good sense given to me by my Mama not to go around and anonymously call another adult by the name "Boy" so perhaps I do have less to fear than you.
Again, I don't place much reliance on the credibility of what someone who posts anonymously tells me. As I said earlier, that kind of heresay would not be admissible in court. So it doesn't register much alarm with me whether in court or on an Internet forum.
The larger question here should be why, if you, others and The Northwest Observer truly believe a law has been broken, aren't you over at the District Attorney's Office filing a criminal complaint rather than on here telling me and the rest of the world who simply don't have any power to rectify the accused wrongs and crimes of others? That is a question that bears an answer if not from you, certainly from The Northwest Observer.
Whenever I think of good manners, I always think of you first. I am not going to discuss any possible legal action in progress or not on this forum at this time. Even I have better sense than that.
The hacking was bad enough, but using that information to try and intimidate people is seriously wrong! That's actually the bigger question. I don't know why you are not outraged by that and why you continue to dance around it.
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 05:01 pm |
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Are statements true or false, educated or ignorant, authoritative or heresay simply because the author is identifiable or anonymous?
I don't concede that if I use my real name then what I say is "fact" and if I use an assumed name then what I say is "heresay". Readers of my posts must judge my writings on their own merits.
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 05:02 pm |
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FatPappy wrote:
I don't know why you are not outraged by that and why you continue to dance around it.
I'm not dancing around anything. Please see my earlier response to Patti Stokes above.
I simply believe that the accused should be tried in courtrooms and not in the press. Which in this case, extends to a forum owned and operated by the press.
Finally, in my book a person is innocent until proven guilty and hereay evidence is not only inadmissible in a courtroom, it does not constitute acceptable nor credible consideration when presented anonymously.
You know, we are not all that far removed from the lynch mobs of history who decided to take the 'law' into their own hands as they saw fit and for those they deemed guilty without a trial.
I simply refuse to ride along with the "mob" around here who would just as willingly lynch another today as the becloaked night riders of southern justice in the past did. Mob rules are one and the same, whether in your history or your histrionics.
Thank-you though for your recognition and acknowledgement of my manners and gentility by the way. Mama would be oh so proud to hear you say those nice kind things.
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 05:34 pm |
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 05:38 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
You know, we are not all that far removed from the lynch mobs of history who decided to take the 'law' into their own hands as they saw fit and for those they deemed guilty without a trial.
Sort o' like Dwayne decidin' on his own to "out" anonymous posters he disagreed with. Since he admitted it using his own name it must be fact.
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StewartM
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Posted: Mar 13th, 2007 06:22 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Jim Flynt wrote:
A man is also entitled to the right to confront his accuser in the American judicial system. In fact, that right is one of the many things which Mr. Mike's son is so proudly fighting for on distant shores. God Bless Him and all of our troops in harm's way.
This a forum for discussion, not a court.
How dare you use Mr Mike's boy!?
Its OK Pappy....My son knows what he is doing and why...He is helping us to keep freedom of speech like many of soldiers before him....We don't have to agree, like, approve or believe what people say or how they say it....We are the land of the free....
I am just thankful to live in America where everyone right or wrong can voice their opinion. I am proud to have 2 sons who are willing to pay the price for all of us....
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 03:20 am |
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EditorPS wrote: Okay everyone, we've discussed this before but in light of recent events, I'm gong to ask again -- and I'd like to hear from those of you who have posted your real name on this forum as well as those who haven't. As many of you know, Summerfield Town Council member Dwayne Crawford has made it his mission in recent months to identify our anonymous online forum posters -- to be more precise, only a select group of posters -- specifically, those who have made comments that are not favorable to either him or Councilwoman Becky Strickland. How do you feel about a council member accessing our forum database via what he claims is a software "glitch" and publishing forum participants' I.P. addresses on his Web site and via e-mails? Do forum participants, who are local citizens, have the right to remain anonymous when they are discussing local issues? Is Crawford's behavior appropriate for an elected official (or for that matter, is it appropriate for anyone)?
And Mike, we are thankful for your sons
Now, let's all get back on topic please
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 03:24 am |
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EditorPS wrote: As many of you know, Summerfield Town Council member Dwayne Crawford has made it his mission in recent months to identify our anonymous online forum posters -- to be more precise, only a select group of posters -- specifically, those who have made comments that are not favorable to either him or Councilwoman Becky Strickland. How do you feel about a council member accessing our forum database via what he claims is a software "glitch" and publishing forum participants' I.P. addresses on his Web site and via e-mails? Do forum participants, who are local citizens, have the right to remain anonymous when they are discussing local issues? Is Crawford's behavior appropriate for an elected official (or for that matter, is it appropriate for anyone)?
I couldn't stand it any more...
Given that DC has apparently already lost the total trust and respect of many (most?) in the community, it occurs to me that he has also failed to uphold his oath of office, taken at the beginning of his term. I question, therefore, his capacity to justly serve as councilman since promises apparently mean nothing to him. If nothing else, I see this as insincere and deceiving from the start.
A second observation is that by simply accessing this forum, DC had to push the requisite "I Agree" button as a condition of access. It clearly includes the following rule: "Respect participants rights to remain anonymous, do not speculate on their identities". Based on the fact that he agreed to those contractual terms, and then chose to ignore and violate them, it stands to reason that he is definitely not within his right to expose anyone related to this forum.
I would further speculate that DC, while obviously more of a nuisance and pain than anything else, is hardly worth the significant effort expended to chastise his puerile behavior. In other words, just ignore him; maybe he will just go away. And even if he doesn't, concentrate instead on the greatness that Summerfield has to offer. He is an outcast, and is best left to his own devices. Summerfield, on the other hand, is a diamond in the rough.
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 04:19 am |
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GREAT post WHE!!!
I agree on point with everything you've said, except for the ignoring part. We tried that for months. It only seems to aggravate him more and escalates the situation. 
I've said it before. He's like a puppy who gets no attention and if you ignore him, he's jumping up and down in your face saying "Notice me! Notice me!" Well, we've noticed and we don't like what we see Mr. Crawford.
I know of at least one person who has had their name removed entirely from this forum. They don't want Crawford prying into their private lives.
I met another person tonight who said that she would love to jump in here and chat with us, but she fears what will happen if she does. Will her name or her family be dragged through the mud because of something she posts? Will he research the history of her business or private life and lay it out on the street for the entire community to read?
Crawford has most certainly tried to intimidate the participants of this forum and in doing so has infringed on our right to speak freely. The fact that he may have broken the law in the process is heinous indeed.
I am so proud of Patti for standing up for our rights and making that wonderful speech at the council meeting tonight. My hands hurt from clapping so hard!!! 
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Posted: Mar 14th, 2007 10:12 am |
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But WHE that is the point. Dwayne hacked the system. He didn't read any agreement or push any button. He broke in.
I hope the NWO continues to push for resolution to this problem so that people will feel safe to join and post. So we don't agree with the CC, where are they defending themselves? Why aren't they having a dialogue. Why do they have to break in and sneak around? I do worry a little that DC will hack my system, not surewhat he would find, but he is not going to stop me from my freedom of speech.
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Posted: Mar 16th, 2007 02:41 am |
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Dwayne Crawford and Becky Strickland are narrow minded, vindictive people who do not deserve to be in public service. They both need to resign and let this town move forward. These are people whose only goal in life is to create discord and animosity as a mechanism to be in the public spotlight. You have had your 15 minutes of fame, now go away!!!!! No one wants you representing the town of Summerfield anymore. You both are an embarrassment to the town and public service in general.
NWO, please pursue legal action against Dwayne Crawford to the greatest extent possible. He would be fired in any corporation for those actions.
Jimia
P.S. Please tighten up your security!
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Posted: Mar 16th, 2007 02:48 am |
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I would like to make one additional comment. No one should refrain from expressing themselves in this forum for fear of reprisals. There is nothing Dwayne Crawford can do about freedom of speech. There is no way for him to hurt you. Let me guess. Richard Nixon was Dwayne’s childhood hero.
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P.S. I will post my real name when and if I feel like it.
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Posted: Mar 16th, 2007 02:59 am |
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Posted: Mar 16th, 2007 03:21 am |
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I agree Jimia! No need to post your real name here! We like Jimia just fine! Come back more often!
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Posted: Mar 16th, 2007 03:43 am |
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jimia wrote: NWO, please pursue legal action against Dwayne Crawford to the greatest extent possible. He would be fired in any corporation for those actions.
Jimia
P.S. Please tighten up your security!
Hi Jimia,
I can assure you that we are currently pursuing all available options in this case.
As for tightening up our security, our forum software has been updated, which supposedly fixed the "glitch" that Dwayne spoke of. Is it totally immune to hackers who are determined to get through? I'm afraid I can't guarantee that -- I wish I could. We were caught offguard the first time, but have learned some very valuable lessons and will do everything we can to make sure that we have no more intrusions.
Thanks for joining us on the forum!Last edited on Mar 16th, 2007 03:44 am by EditorPS
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