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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 01:46 am |
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Jim, if you feel a need to make this about who is, and isn't for the park, that is your perogative.
However, as for the facts of this case, I couldn't care less whether Dwayne Crawford is in favor of, or opposed to the park. My issues with him right now have nothing, and I repeat, NOTHING whatsoever do with the park.
The issue I have with Dwayne is that he gained access to confidential information from this forum's database, said he did it via a "glitch," e-mailed me and told me exactly how he did it, copied others on the e-mail, e-mailed numerous people, both visible to me and not visible (via blind copying -- which, I might add, makes those people anonymous to me -- interesting how that's okay when he does it) saying he knew who certain individuals were on the forum, and posted these individuals' names and computer IP addresses on his website.
I repeat, this has nothing to do with my position, or Dwayne's position on the park or any other issue on which we may not see things from the same perspective. This has everything to do with an elected official going on a manhunt to flush out anonymous posters on this forum and expose them to the community because he didn't like the fact that they were criticizing him and another council person. If you think that's okay, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't need a jury and a courtroom trial to prove to me that his behavior is unethical -- some things I can figure out on my own.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 01:53 am |
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EditorPS wrote: The issue I have with Dwayne is that he gained access to confidential information from this forum's database, said he did it via a "glitch," e-mailed me and told me exactly how he did it, copied others on the e-mail, e-mailed numerous people, both visible to me and not visible (via blind copying -- which, I might add, makes those people anonymous to me -- interesting how that's okay when he does it) saying he knew who certain individuals were on the forum, and posted these individuals' names and computer IP addresses on his website.
I repeat, this has nothing to do with my position, or Dwayne's position on the park or any other issue on which we may not see things from the same perspective. This has everything to do with an elected official going on a manhunt to flush out anonymous posters on this forum and expose them to the community because he didn't like the fact that they were criticizing him and another council person. If you think that's okay, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't need a jury and a courtroom trial to prove to me that his behavior is unethical -- some things I can figure out on my own.
Patti, as I suggested earlier, I am actually looking forward to seeing the manifestation of this crime through an arrest and I am sure that many other readers of The Northwest Observer, not only from Summerfield, but throughout the entire Northwest area do as well.
I was serious in my suggestion that I hope that you and/or 'Pappy' will keep all of us abreast of the imminent arrest of this person for this crime. I have offered and continue to offer my full support to you and to The Northwest Observer for the prosecution of any and all who commit crimes under our statutes.
I have long believed and will continue to believe that no man is above the law and we as a society should be a government of laws and not men.
Otherwise, my comments were more in keeping with simply having some light hearted fun which I hoped no one would take all that seriously.
But please, do keep us all abreast of what can only appear from comments posted both here on this Forum and in the Northwest Observer to be an imminent arrest. Photos of the culprit being hauled away in handcuffs on your front page would just be icing on the cake.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 01:59 am |
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Politics wrote: Does anyone have a link to Dwayne Crawford's website? Also, are they any links where he's exosed the IP addresses of users of this forum?
I'd like to post this story on a National News website and need some some corroborating links to support the threats.
Thanks
Dwayne's Web site came down about two weeks ago, ironically just a few days prior to the time that we began pursuing the issue of him accessing confidential information on our site. Maybe it's just those pesty server problems again ... he is also Webmaster of the Concerned Citizens' Web site and their site has been down about two months, supposedly because of server problems (if it were me, I'd get a new server).
Now Jim, don't worry -- I'm certainly not drawing any conclusions, or "hanging anyone before their fair trial" ... I'm sure the timing of his site coming down is just all coincidental.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 01:59 am |
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EditorPS wrote: I don't need a jury and a courtroom trial to prove to me that his behavior is unethical -- some things I can figure out on my own.
Your comment simply reflects why I suggested that folks in Summerfield simply take Summerfield justice into their own hands and literally 'hang' him, and then have a trial later as a mere formality if necessary, to comply with those silly statutes on the books guaranteeing legal rights to criminals and all that other legal hogwash and mumbo-jumbo ya'll don't have time nor need for nor much care about.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:01 am |
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We are not the ones who hacked the forum and then bragged about it. I am sure he is not the only hacker in the world but most of the rest are certainly smart enough not to brag about it or at least have some idea of what the consequences are if they do brag about it especially if they also happen to be an elected official.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:06 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: We are not the ones who hacked the forum and then bragged about it. I am sure he is not the only hacker in the world but most of the rest are certainly smart enough not to brag about it or at least have some idea of what the consequences are if they do brag about it especially if they also happen to be an elected official.
I am sure that everyone in the Northwest area joins me in looking forward to the imminent arrest for this crime as you all have outlined.
Please keep all of us interested Northwest area citizens posted as developments occur in this imminent arrest, including the culprit being handcuffed and hauled away to Central Prison for this crime.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:07 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
Your comment simply reflects why I suggested that folks in Summerfield simply take Summerfield justice into their own hands and literally 'hang' him, and then have a trial later as a mere formality if necessary, to comply with those silly statutes on the books guaranteeing legal rights to criminals and all that other legal hogwash and mumbo-jumbo ya'll don't have time nor need for nor much care about.
Maybe you'd be happier if we hung some firemen. Your long-winded remarks are a little hypocritical in my opnion.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:08 am |
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Which day this week can we expect him to be handcuffed and taken to jail Pappy? Surely them Fed boys aren't going to leave a dangerous criminal like that running loose and victimizing the public?
You cain't blame this on me. I didn't vote fer him. This is serious, an' no amount o' rhetorical gymnastics can change that. Crawford stepped in his own crap, I mean trap, an' now I reckon we'll see what happens. And don't worry, we'll let ever'body know!
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:13 am |
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FatPappy wrote: Maybe you'd be happier if we hung some firemen. Your long-winded remarks are a little hypocritical in my opnion.
Actually, I love firemen so your comment therein doesn't make sense. Nor am I interested in hanging nor dispensing justice to anyone without that person having benefit of the American system of justice. (It is really rather archaic ain't it, to say a man is innocent until proven guilty anymore, even the ones who confess to their crimes outside of the courtroom).
I guess I am just a little old fashioned in believing that even criminals deserve trials despite how slowly our justice system seems to work.
The 'proof' of all of the allegations being slung around and bandied about will be in whether or not the local district attorney and/or US Attorney agrees with all of you that laws have been broken. If so, there will be an arrest and indictment, and if not, well then, I suppose someone will have some explaining to do.
Time will tell and until that time, all any of us are really doing is speculating without really knowing what we are talking about (in the legal prosecution sense). It makes for a good laugh and probably some political public relations but not much else of value.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:17 am |
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Which day this week can we expect him to be handcuffed and taken to jail Pappy? Surely them Fed boys aren't going to leave a dangerous criminal like that running loose and victimizing the public?
You cain't blame this on me. I didn't vote fer him. This is serious, an' no amount o' rhetorical gymnastics can change that. Crawford stepped in his own crap, I mean trap, an' now I reckon we'll see what happens. And don't worry, we'll let ever'body know!
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:20 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: The 'proof' of all of the allegations being slung around and bandied about will be in whether or not the local district attorney and/or US Attorney agrees with all of you that laws have been broken. If so, there will be an arrest and indictment, and if not, well then, I suppose someone will have some explaining to do.
Time will tell and until that time, all any of us are really doing is speculating without really knowing what we are talking about (in the legal prosecution sense). It makes for a good laugh and probably some political public relations but not much else of value.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:36 am |
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Photos of the culprit being hauled away in handcuffs on your front page would just be icing on the cake.
No more pictures of him anywhere or mention of him again would suit me even better. He hacked the forum, bragged about it, tried to bully citizens from legally expressing their concerns, yet somehow none of that bothers you. It bothers me.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:49 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: The 'proof' of all of the allegations being slung around and bandied about will be in whether or not the local district attorney and/or US Attorney agrees with all of you that laws have been broken. If so, there will be an arrest and indictment, and if not, well then, I suppose someone will have some explaining to do.
Crawford hacked the forum to expose those he decided should be exposed. We know this because he told us in detail. I'd hate to call him a liar as well as stupid.
There are two problems as a result of his actions. One is ethical. Should a councilman stoop to such behavior? I believe not an' I believe that much is wide open to discussion.
The other is legal. Did he break any laws in doing what he did? I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know. I'll wait for the report on that.
Gosh.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 02:53 am |
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FatPappy wrote: yet somehow none of that bothers you. It bothers me.
Pappy, what bothers me is that tonight over one billion children around the world will go hungry.
What also bothers me is that over two billion of our world citizens are eking out an existence and getting by on less than $2.00 (yes, that's right, Two Dollars) per day.
What bothers me is that 25% of the people who die in the next 24 hours around the world will die of diseases which have been eradicated in America.
What bothers me is that America with all of it's great inventions and technology, still ranks behind 32 other countries in our health delivery services and in life expectancy.
What bothers me is that unwise American foreign policy has led to the creation of exponential terrorist growth, especially among Muslim youth and young.
What bothers me are overcrowded prisons which have become breeding grounds for even greater crimes and which do not work as a deterrent.
What bothers me is that the greatest civilized society in world history does not and will not provide health care for roughly 40% of their population. And tonight all over America, Americans may well be denied medical care and treatment and die as a result of such a failed social policy.
Christianity teaches me that I will ultimately be called to task to answer unto Jesus Christ, as will all of us, as to what I did do or tried to do to help some of those less fortunate as I outlined above. While I don't have to answer to you nor you to me, we will both be held accountable for our actions or failure to act in being the good Samaritan. And as humans we are sinners, none of us will be saved by our deeds, but rather only by His Grace.
God created each and every human on this planet in his image, including Dwayne Crawford by the way, and if you or anyone else took the time to look long enough, you would find Jesus in Dwayne Crawford and he would find Jesus in you. And until you both can do that, you both have failed under our Lord.
I suppose my vision is far greater than yours and my world a little larger than yours, or else, you too would be really bothered by those much larger things and then all of us could and would be talking about what really matters in the world, and laugh off the much ado about nothing small stuff.
Those are the things that are important to me Pappy. Not Dwayne Crawford, who quite frankly doesn't even deserve one precious moment of our life or time worrying or writing about.
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Posted: Mar 19th, 2007 03:01 am |
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