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Posted: May 8th, 2007 01:49 pm |
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Thanks DMauser.
That is just 10 for the entire GC?
Where will the ten be distributed?
Is there a reason for so few (besides resources)?
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 02:09 pm |
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| just limited by money and what Jeff sees as need-- Northern will be getting several, and of course they have to rearrange by need in each school.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 05:25 pm |
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dmauser wrote: just limited by money
I wonder what one of those suckers cost? I'll bet they aren't cheap.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 05:31 pm |
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| I have no idea, but I do think the state lets the county pay for them over a period like a lease. The budget will be hard hit this year with gas prices so high, although hopefully the warm winter will lower cost on heating to balance that out. I watched some of the budget discussion last night, it is unbelievable how complex it is..
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Posted: May 9th, 2007 01:23 am |
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mstone wrote: Here's an interesting note to consider from today's Davie County Enterprise Record:
Davie elections officials are expecting thousands of county residents to go to the polls Tuesday to decide whether a second high school will be built anytime soon.
If approved, the vote would allow Davie County to borrow $37 million, $30 million for a new high school on property the county owns in Smith Grove, and $7 million for renovations to the current Davie County High School.
Mike an interesting follow up in the news tonight from down in Davie County. As reported by WFMY Channel 2 News:
All the votes are in.
Mocksville, NC -- Voters in Davie County have rejected a plan to build a new high school.
Davie County Board of Elections has tallied all the votes. With 14 out of 14 precincts reporting and more than 3,000 early and absentee ballots counted, Davie County residents voted 38.1% for the bond referendum and 61.9% against it.
The $37 million referendum is to build a second high school in the northeastern part of the county.
Currently there is only one high school in the county. It serves nearly 1,800 students, though it was built to only serve 1,300.
The bond referendum also included $7 million for renovations at Davie High School.
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Posted: May 9th, 2007 02:32 pm |
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You have to wonder what the folks in Davie County are thinking. I saw a news report that the folks that were opposed to the bond don't want 2 high schools. They only want the existing Davie HS and would support expanding it. I also heard that they are going to combat some of the overcrowding by opening a 9th grade academy.
I'm not sure how many students you can put in a single high school. Is 1800 students a reasonable number??? I guess you can assume that 25% of the students are 9th graders, so the school population will be 1350 next year, but aren't they just delaying the inevitable?
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Posted: May 9th, 2007 07:01 pm |
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Most educational things I have read say that smaller schools are better, with hs being good at 12-1400. Most in our county are well over 1400. Northern is being built for 1200 with a core (cafeteria/gym) of 1600. There will be about 8 classrooms that will not be finished when we open- only when needed.
Change is hard, and I fear that they think the new will be better (in my opinion it will be newer and that does not mean better), divide loyalities in the county, cost money.
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Posted: May 9th, 2007 08:39 pm |
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dmauser,
It sounds like the folks that voted against the bond had the same information as you. If they're going to have 1200+ kids in the hs by starting a 9th grade academy, then the numbers say they'll be OK for a few years. I'm not thrilled with 1400 students, but there's a huge balancing act between smaller schools and costs to the taxpayer.
I agree change is hard. Changing tradition is probably even harder. The folks voting against this probably grew up with the one unified hs. Not separating the kids avoided changing tradition.... for now. I hope they don't live to regret this decision - for the sake of the students.
What still floors me is that they were going to build a 1200 seat hs for $30M.
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Posted: May 9th, 2007 10:17 pm |
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| I dont think its right for the school Board to include Eastern into the Bond referendum. Its a clear attempt to get the sympathy vote.
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Posted: May 10th, 2007 02:52 am |
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What is really surprising to me why the bond didn't pass in Davidson Co, is more people are more against the location where the new high school was going to be built. The accusations, even from the previous denied bond, were that the school was going to the wealthier sections of Davidson Co. I bet if the school board came back and decided to find land located closer to the old school, the same people that voted no, would be in support of the bond passing.
These parents really need to more concerned about their current schools expected growth. They would not like being Northwest for a year having to put up with the hassles of dealing with no space, no where to eat lunch, no where to park, eating lunch at non-appropriate times such as 130pm, and the list could go on.
They should also feel lucky that they have a school board that can build a school with $30 million dollars.
And Southwest parent, I don't exactly think the bond will pass with Eastern as the sympathy vote. The public is too aware of what is currently going on with Grier in this particular situation, and people just do not trust him. The bond will pass because parents want new schools, and yes they are needed---many just don't question the logic behind the expenditures, where as they should. As far as Eastern being on the list, no, I agree it should not be included since monies are expected from other sources. But, that is the entire argument.
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Posted: May 10th, 2007 03:16 am |
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The cost to build a school in Guilford Co. was around $190+/- $5. In SC it cost $119 per sq. ft. I don't why but I think we need to find out.
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Posted: May 10th, 2007 11:05 am |
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From this morning's Washington Post:
The Big Squeeze: Why a School Can Cost $100 Million
By Susan DeFord Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 10, 2007; Page SM01
Howard County parent Cindy Ardinger has long pushed for a big fix at 40-year-old Mount Hebron High School, where the hallways are cramped, the walls are cracked and wastewater has backed up in classrooms. But tearing down the school and building new, school officials say, could cost $90 million.
Ardinger's reaction: "Are you crazy? Why is it so expensive to build a school here?"
Actually, it's quite costly to build a school anywhere in Maryland. The good old days of six or seven years ago, when a high school could be built for $40 million, are a quickly receding memory.
To read the rest of this story, follow the weblink below:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050900048.html?referrer=email
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Posted: May 10th, 2007 02:24 pm |
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I too think the bond will have a hard time at the polls. I'm not a fan of it because I think it will create more debt and we need to trim the fat and the pork and the waste downtown before we create anymore debt. There's got to be a better way to fund and build schools for our children. If there is, I'm listening.
E.C. Huey
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Posted: May 10th, 2007 06:16 pm |
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E.C. Huey wrote: I too think the bond will have a hard time at the polls. I'm not a fan of it because I think it will create more debt and we need to trim the fat and the pork and the waste downtown before we create anymore debt. There's got to be a better way to fund and build schools for our children. If there is, I'm listening.
E.C. Huey
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Okay, can you give me an itemized list of how cost was formulated to come up with $61 million for a new school in GC? How does that same list compare to other counties that is building hs for half?
I want to hear more of your ideas toward a solution to give the county more schools at half the cost.
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Posted: May 10th, 2007 07:20 pm |
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| Part of the issue, Grits, is that in my opinion, I don't think we really that "green" of a school. We need to have functioning schools, with functioning teachers and students. Flushing toilets with runoff rainwater is a luxury, not a necessity. Secondly, I tend to agree with what Garth Hebert told the Rhino not long ago, it costs a premium to build schools in Guilford Co. partly because of the issues surrounding MWBE rules. Because the rules were made more stringent, it has turned, I'm told, more contractors off from building in Guilford Co. The playing field needs to be even, yes, but not a result of building schools at a premium in Guilford Co.
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