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Posted: May 5th, 2007 02:59 pm |
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I have just re-read my post. Maybe I am still not clear.
When the bond is voted on there will be a list of projects. The Airport schools will either be on it or not. Kearns is gunning to take them off.
Clear?
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Posted: May 5th, 2007 03:05 pm |
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MStone,
It sounds like you will get a lot of votes. You are just what we need.
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Posted: May 5th, 2007 03:07 pm |
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Southwestparent wrote: I have just re-read my post. Maybe I am still not clear.
When the bond is voted on there will be a list of projects. The Airport schools will either be on it or not. Kearns is gunning to take them off.
Clear?
Not exactly. Yes, there will be a list of projects and the airport sholls will either be on or off that list (count on them being on it). As I posted earlier, the threat by Kearns to take the airport area schools off the bond list is a political ploy to force her ideas and projects into the bond referendum. She'll support the airport schools eventually as long as she gets her pet projects higher on the list. The bigger threat is that she and other BOE members will put the airport schools so far down the list that they won't get built because they run out of money with projects higher on the list.
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Posted: May 5th, 2007 03:14 pm |
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Southwestparent wrote: MStone,
It sounds like you will get a lot of votes. You are just what we need.
Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate them. Getting a lot of votes would be nice. Getting a majority of votes is my goal. 
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Posted: May 6th, 2007 11:42 pm |
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| BTW, the dinosaur was donated-- didn't cost us anything (thank goodness)
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Posted: May 7th, 2007 04:56 pm |
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macca wrote: Okay, I know this is kind of off the subject but not exactly. My comments fit better here than anywhere else available at this time....
It has to do with the GCS Administration and BOE needing to prove itself to everyone....
What is up with the interaction between Linda Shaw and Terry Grier at the County Commissioners' meeting last night? He went there asking for $$$ to help pay for rebuilding Eastern Guilford and Mrs. Shaw informed him that she had heard Insurance Commissioner Jim Long say yesterday that the school system would be getting around $40 million in insurance $$. Grier said he'd heard nothing from Long but the GCS attorney thinks the system will get no more than $20 million.... This is in addition to the $31 million in the bank left over from other projects..... Yet schools don't get all the things they need to best serve our children.
And I agree totally about how we just need basic buildings, not all these things to make them look impressive...
Hey Macca, I happened to catch this request by TG and the county commissioners yesterday on public TV. The commissioners were basically just wondering why was the BOE coming to them asking for assistance with funding the building of Eastern Guilford. All the commissioners just laid the figures out on the table that already showed there was enough cash flow to get the project going. None, to my knowledge disagreed not to help, but the request should come toward the end of the project to pay for anything not cover with money already available. I personally can't understand the logic behind the insurance money--Shaw says 20 mil, Grier says 10 mil, the GCS attorney says 8mil. But, I also hear it was insured for 16 mil. I can't keep up. Realistically, when all figures were disclosed, 31 mil from past bond, 16 mil from lottery sales, 10 mil from insurance--that total amount sum should have gotten the ball rolling. I as a tax payer I do not disagree with using the extra bond money to use for "emergency funds" as Grier kept referring to. Eastern burning down, certainly is an emergency, as long as the other projects don't get tossed out. I felt like TG and the attorney were talking out of both sides of their mouth to put up a good argument., and to ensure that they would not have to use GCS designated funds (which have not been certified or signed off on according to TG yesterday.)
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Posted: May 7th, 2007 05:59 pm |
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| If a school burning to the ground isn't an emergency I would like to know what would be. I think anyone would understand if a current project that had not been started was delayed to take care of an emergency. I don't mean to not do the proposed projects, but delay it while the kids without a school get some help.
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Posted: May 7th, 2007 06:36 pm |
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I don't think anyone has said that Eastern shouldn't be rebuilt. I think the question was about how much money was available vs how much GCS/Grier is asking the county for. It appears there is money to get going with this project -- the sooner the better.
My post had to do with how people don't trust Dr. Grier/BOE, and it was meant to reinforce the belief that is going to be hard to get support for another bond, regardless of how much we need more schools.
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Posted: May 7th, 2007 08:09 pm |
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Here's an interesting note to consider from today's Davie County Enterprise Record:
Davie elections officials are expecting thousands of county residents to go to the polls Tuesday to decide whether a second high school will be built anytime soon.
If approved, the vote would allow Davie County to borrow $37 million, $30 million for a new high school on property the county owns in Smith Grove, and $7 million for renovations to the current Davie County High School.
Did you catch that??? Davie County can build a high school for $30 million. What is wrong with Guilford County that they can't seem to consider a high school project for less than double that amount.
If Davie County can build a school for $30M on property they own, shouldn't the BOE be able to do the same at Eastern? hmmmmmm.
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Posted: May 7th, 2007 10:56 pm |
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We all agree that this is an emergency issue, and that never was a question to address. Grier knows that this is an emergency (so why is he dragging his feet), he has a significant amount of $$, and the site is already there to start rebuilding. Expanding the size of the building is a wise decision to be prepared and readily capable of prospected future growth. But Macca has supported what is in question as far the BOE not wanting to use the current available money. And MSTONE supports why can other counties build schools for half of what GC can, especially when the land is currently there. The county commissioners seem concerned about this as well. It doesn't add up. These are questions everybody should want answered before asking for more money. Grier doesn't even have the 31 mil allocated to any specific project at this time. He keeps reinforcing Jamestown only because the county has chastised him in the past regarding reasons for not already building this elementry school. This pretty much sums up my support for not voting yes on the bond in November. Guilford County is digging itself into a huge whole. Sad thing about it though is, I don't doubt for a minute that the bond will not pass., and watch the 31 mil double and not be allocated on any project.
Guilford Co. high school approx. 61 mil $$$$
Davie/Forsyth high school approx. 30 mil $$$
Big problem especially when you already of the land.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 12:55 am |
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mstone wrote: If Davie County can build a school for $30M on property they own, shouldn't the BOE be able to do the same at Eastern? hmmmmmm.
Are the two proposed schools the exact same size and are the construction materials and process the same?
Are the Davie County and Eastern Guilford schools proposed a fairly exact apples for apples comparison?
You can construct two houses from the same house plans for a similar if not exact price. But you cannot build a 5,000 square foot house for the same price as a 2,500 square foot house, nor can you construct a brick home for the same price as one with wood siding. One story construction is going to be different in costs than two story construction.
I do agree however that Guilford County could build schools on a more efficient cost effective basis than what they are currently costing taxpayers.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 01:51 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: mstone wrote: If Davie County can build a school for $30M on property they own, shouldn't the BOE be able to do the same at Eastern? hmmmmmm.
Are the two proposed schools the exact same size and are the construction materials and process the same?
Are the Davie County and Eastern Guilford schools proposed a fairly exact apples for apples comparison?
Since Davie County hasn't voted on the bond yet, it's unknown what size in sq ft it will be. The building committee has assembled a design team of community volunteers to help with planning if/when the bond passes - an excellent approach, by the way. What we do know is that they are projecting an enrollment of 2050 students that would be split between the existing high school and the proposed school. My math says that means they are going to build a school that holds roughly 1100 students. That's pretty close to what we build here.
As for construction materials and processes, I don't know, but I can only assume that whatever is built will meet all building codes and will provide a safe environment for learning. I believe that's part of the issue in Guilford County. The BOE isn't satisfied with a school. They want flash, flare, style, and hoopla. It's gotta be a grand, luxurious, and opulent educational facility. You can't have just a school here.
By stark comparison, the Davie County BOE reports: "For $30 million the new school will have all of the necessities that any high school must have, such as classrooms, a media center, computer and science labs, a gym, offices, a cafeteria, and athletic fields. The Second High School Design Committee will have some input into the design of the new school. It will take the new school time to acquire many of the features the existing school has in place.
There will be practice/playing fields for all field sports and a gymnasium for court sports. The field facilities will be sufficient to play games but certainly not on the level of Davie High's stadium area. Over time, the facility will evolve and improve with school and booster assistance/projects, just as Davie High has done."
This sounds like a sensible approach to me.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 02:22 am |
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mstone wrote: This sounds like a sensible approach to me.
I agree.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 01:20 pm |
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Can anybody inform me where the funding comes from for buses?
All schools can use more buses. I do not see anything on the bond designating funds to go towards new or extra buses for GC.
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Posted: May 8th, 2007 01:29 pm |
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| Buses are funded yearly by the budget; both local and state dollars. The transportation office is asking for 10 new buses this year for the county. I spoke to Jeff Harris about this last week at a meeting for Northern HS.
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