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Posted: Aug 17th, 2007 01:10 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: dwendelken wrote: I too voiced my opinion on Tuesday and I got lableled. I will continue to go forward with a positive campaign. Unfortunately I will not be participating in this forum after reviewing the previous posts.
Personally I'd like to get to know the "real" you, but now that's not going to be possible (in this venue). As a voter, a candidate is going to have to reach out to me, because I'm not going to chase them down.
I agree Steve, if a candidate wants MY vote he/she MUST reach out to me. A candidate must be VERY VOCAL during the campaigning process to appeal to all voters. I learn through a candidates vocalization what their "points of interests" "concerns" and their solutions are. I can't agree to disagree if I do not hear from you.
A candidate needs to debate his/her view point with other constituents and citizens if they are really serious wanting to be elected to office. This behind the door campaigning only works for silent groups that only want to complain instead of being part of the at large solution.
If I propose a question, I would like to have an answer. I am alright with the fact that you may choose to avoid answering the question. That tells me alot about a candidate as well.
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Posted: Aug 17th, 2007 02:18 pm |
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Alright I am taking the bait!
Steve you voted for me in the last election and I appreciate that. I am the same candidate then as I am today. I don't take my marbles and go home- That is not who I am and you are not "just one lousy vote". The group on this forum (not all) admitted they don't want "outsiders" in charge of Summerfield. They have made up there minds and I will concentrate on the 6980 other RESIDENTS in Summerfield.
I have put my bio on my website http://www.electdonw.com. This explains who I am and where I have been. If someone has a specific question for me I will be more than happy to answer you on my website.
I do not cut and run.
See you on my website.
Don
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 17th, 2007 02:53 pm |
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All of your comments directed to Don beg the question: WHERE are the incumbent Summerfield Town Council members running for reelection and WHY aren't THEY posting here on the NWO Forum?
I'm just really curious why those of you who seem to be attacking Don for his earlier statements about not conducting his campaign on the Northwest Observer Forum have been so noticeably quiet about the fact that not one of the Summerfield Town Council incumbents: Bob Williams, Dena Barnes, and Carolyn Collins has or have agreed to post or participate here. Doesn't that refusal to participate on the part of your so called leaders also reflect a complete disregard for citizens?
How are the incumbents going to connect with voters? Are the incumbents ever going to chase you down and share their views? Or are you simply falling all over yourselves in an attempt to get them reelected?
Why are you giving the three incumbents a Free Pass while correspondingly giving the challengers such a hard time.
From my point of observation, the challengers have at least shown enough courage and fortitude to join this Forum and share their views.
Those of you making these accusations against the challengers aren't operating under a double standard by any chance are you?
Because that would be hypocrisy of the highest order if you were.
Last edited on Aug 17th, 2007 03:00 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 17th, 2007 02:56 pm |
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Don, thanks for putting up your website. It was very informative. I don't think we were ever meaning outsiders as in the way I think you mean, but am not sure. I think we were talking about outsiders in the meaning of people who do not live in Summerfield. I am concerned about people that have just moved to the community who do not seemed to be involved in the community, not sitting on boards or committees in town, not attending council meetings, such things like that. I want my council members to be involved in the town they are representing.
I think the northwest observer does do a good job of presenting the minutes of the council meetings, but they could not put the whole presentation that PCOG gave on the Council-Manger form of Government. Nor could they report totally that the Town Attorney felt in his opinion that once the council decided to give the right to the people to vote on whether they wanted a council-manger type of government that the council should not be giving their opinion. It would look like they were biasing the vote. When the process started back in January or February we could ask the council about how they felt about the change in government. The Northwest Observer ran some good articles on the form of government. The PGOG informative session that the council set up was very good. I think the public hearing for the form the referendum was held in June and the council voted in June to put it to referendum. Then the board of elections said that it would be best to hold another public hearing and vote on the intent to vote to put it to referendum because of the way the ruling read (someone correct me if I have this wrong).
In my opinion what Becky Strickland did at the last council meeting was against the advice of the Town attorney and did bias the vote. Now whether that holds any merit or not I do not know, but I guess we will probably find out after the election in November.
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 01:57 am |
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Don I have just viewed your website and I found it very informative. Thank you for offering another way for us to find out more about you.
Mr. Lovett I appreciate your candidness and commitment in answering all the questions asked. Job well done so far! I like what I'm reading.
Thank you both for participating from a positive forum reader and yes, we are out there!
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 02:20 am |
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WHERE are the INCUMBENTS?
WHY aren't THEY posting here and sharing their views with voters?
ARE they that ASHAMED of their RECORD?
WHY aren't ALL of YOU giving them HECK?
Last edited on Aug 18th, 2007 02:33 am by Jim Flynt
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 02:59 am |
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Where is you indignation in Stokesdale or Oak Ridge for the incumbants? Stokesdale has almost as large a field as does Summerfield.
Give us a break! What difference does it make to you what the incumbants do in Summerfield?
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 03:08 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: What difference does it make to you what the incumbants do in Summerfield?
Let me get this straight: You don't think what Summerfield incumbents do is important to voters?
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 03:55 am |
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| Your not helping by twisting words.
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 04:03 am |
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The question remains: Whether or not Summerfield Town Council incumbents have any obligation to answer to the voters?
A simple YES or NO answer will suffice.
Incumbents either run ON their record OR they run FROM their record.
When incumbent candidates run on their record, they are not at all mute in bragging about that record and what they have done.
Which begs the question: Why are the three incumbents so silent now?
Why are they so visibly absent?
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 04:15 am |
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| But sir, Summerfield voters and incumbants don't answer to you. Why not let them work it out.
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 04:52 am |
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The twisting of words..... an art form to be sure. Pretty easy to tell who's mouth those twisted words came out of in my opinion, but that's neither here nor there. We'll be seeing more twists coming at us from all angles in the coming months so beware.....
As for the incumbents, if you were paying ANY ATTENTION at all on this forum back during the days preceeding Black Tuesday (the 2005 election), many of us stated that we felt that it wouldn't be wise for a sitting council member IN ANY TOWN to join a public forum of any type. That was my opinion then and it is now - and several others agreed with me.
The council's voting records are public record. If you want to go look, go look. Why would you even try to insinuate that they have something to hide? Puhleese! If I want to know where they stand on an issue, I just call them!
If you were paying any attention at all back then, you also read where I wrote that I ALSO did not BLAME Strickland or Crawford AT ALL for NOT joining the forum. Too many opportunities exist for people to twist their words if they spend time on a forum such as this.
Enough said on that. I don't give a hoot whether or not Don, Doug or Rich (or any non-incumbents) continue to participate on this forum. Wait! Before you twist my words, I REALLY appreciate it when they do participate, but it is entirely their decision to do so and I don't judge them based on their participation on the forum OR decide how to vote based on their participation on the forum. I will also call any of them if I need to know their position on something and would hope that they would welcome my call.
I believe it was Don's exit strategy that angered some of the participants. Again, his decision. Doug left, (if he is indeed gone), more quietly, and it was pretty much glossed over.
The posts that have occurred over the past couple of days is a prime example of how words can be twisted to suit an agenda.
The original post (mine) that started this conversation stated how Wendelken, Canavello and Flowers sided on an ISSUE. That is a fact and it is public record.
The fact that the Concerned Citizens (their "label" not mine) are also on the same side of that same ISSUE (also a fact and also public record thanks to Strickland going against Bill Hill's advice to NOT voice an opinion (also a fact - also public record)) was not really meant to cause an argument, simply to inform those who did not attend the meeting of where those 3 candidates sided on the ISSUE.
BTW, welcome to the forum Twinbolt!
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 10:53 am |
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As far as I can tell this is still a fee country more or less and there are approximately 4 candidates out of 28 who are posting on the forums. There is no law requiring the candidates to be on this forum infact I believe the attorney in Summerfield has advised the Town Council to be very careful about coming on public fourms. I believe that was Bill Trevarow when I was on the council.
I further thought this site was to discuss thoughts and ideas not taunt people.
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 11:41 am |
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| We haven't even started the official candidates forum yet anyway. I didn't even think about the incumbents bein' on here, mainly because they're a known entity. I was more interested in learnin' about the newcomers. Mr Lovett has done a fine job of introducing himself and lettin' us know how he thinks and I respect him a lot for that.
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Posted: Aug 18th, 2007 01:25 pm |
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| Well said Pappy. All the incumbents are and always have been very open and approachable. Call them or email either way works. This website has a link to the Town website for their email addresses. All who have paid attention to the past votes and actions of the incumbents know where they stand. They have noting to be ashamed of. I may not agree with everything they do but they do explain their actions. I cannot say that for Becky Strickland. Her actions are always negative towards the Town or the volunteers. The incumbents have never said or done anything to my knowledge negatively against the Town or a volunteer. That's just my opinion.
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