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Posted: Apr 22nd, 2007 08:56 pm |
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Posted: May 4th, 2007 04:28 am |
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How many of our leaders (including our current President) ever say they made a mistake?
From what I have read the vote in Congress was passed by the Senate with a vote of 77 to 23 and the House of Representatives with a vote of 296 to 133. So a whole lot of folks made a decision based on the info they had at the time to pass the resolution.
I don't think those are great reasons to write her off. Are you basing your decision on just one decision she made?
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Posted: May 4th, 2007 12:12 pm |
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Posted: Jun 9th, 2007 03:50 am |
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FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT
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Posted: Jun 27th, 2007 09:00 pm |
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Posted: Jul 3rd, 2007 01:35 am |
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Stonefree
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 01:33 pm |
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I am all about the Obama in this election. He has a good record and he is focused. He doesn't have as much civic leadership as some others but I think he is honest.
Remember we are voting for a LEADER, not just someone to drive the bus. Voting for a leader means we vote for someone that moves us to following them, their ideas and their directions, not someone who says "I am running things, don't question me, just follow."
Bush is not a leader, he doesn't inspire people he "tells" them what to do, that is why we need to avoid another "Bush".
Remember that in 2004 the thing to remember is that 50% of the country didn't vote for Kerry, they voted against Bush. That should say something about his leadership even if you believe in him. I am not necessarily a Demo or Repub, I just think we need good leaders, and we haven't had one in a long time, let's see if we can make a good choice this time around. We came close with Clinton, he wasn't perfect but he had the leadership spark.
On a side note i am concerned about people who say "You don't like this country, then leave." That is a wholly un-American stance. This country is based on the idea that if you don't like the leadership then question it, change it, make it right. But in the same breath it is the right of those people to continue to say their phrase. America isn't easy, freedom isn't easy and it is not, ever, simply black or white, on or off, American or Anti-American, Democrat or Republican.
Who knows maybe the Independants will win...lol!
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 11:00 pm |
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Stonefree wrote: Remember that in 2004 the thing to remember is that 50% of the country didn't vote for Kerry, they voted against Bush.
That's an interesting statement, but I'd like you to explain your thought process. How do you know who and how many didn't vote "for" John Kerry and who and how many voted "against" George Bush? Every election that I've participated in only allowed me to vote "for" a candidate. I do not recall a box to vote against anyone.
In 2004, there were 3 candidates (Ralph Nader was the independent candidate). Were the votes for Nader "for" him or were they "against" the other two? Were the Kerry votes "for" Kerry or were they "against" Bush and Nader? How do you know? According to CNN and the Washington Post, Bush received 51%, Kerry 48%, and Nader 1%. Now, exactly how did 50% of the country vote against Bush?
I can state with a high degree of certainty that there are many that voted "for" each candidate because they believed in their leadership abilities and positions on the issues they felt were important. I'm certain of my statement because I'm told by individuals in open debates and forums who they had voted "for". I don't recall anyone telling me who they were voting against.
If your point was to express a level of displeasure with the options, say so. Many would agree. If your point was to state that, in your opinion, neither candidate showed the leadership qualities you were looking for, then say that too. However, I think you'd be hard pressed to support your stated opinion as fact. But it is an interesting twist to consider.
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 11:45 pm |
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Posted: Jul 26th, 2007 03:49 am |
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| What did you think about the Democratic debate held earlier this week? Interesting format.... had folks post questions on "YouTube." The candidates had to be spontaneous instead of having prepared questions that they knew were coming at them.
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Posted: Jul 26th, 2007 04:11 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: mstone wrote: Stonefree wrote: Remember that in 2004 the thing to remember is that 50% of the country didn't vote for Kerry, they voted against Bush.
I can state with a high degree of certainty that there are many that voted "for" each candidate I don't recall anyone telling me who they were voting against.
Gosh Mike, I must have voted twice in the last Presidential Election.
Because I actually voted FOR John Kerry.
And.
I actually voted AGAINST George Bush.
If all the folks that I know who did likewise had both of their votes counted, Kerry would have won in a landslide 
Kind of a twist on that "vote early - vote often" process. Right? 
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Posted: Jul 26th, 2007 04:20 pm |
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Sorry my point was to characterize the vote to represent a distaste for the incumbent. I am certain many people voted for Kerry because they liked him, although i didn't think he was a great candidate, he was the lesser of two evils, and at the end of the day that is sometimes all we get.
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Posted: Jul 26th, 2007 04:33 pm |
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Stonefree wrote: Sorry my point was to characterize the vote to represent a distaste for the incumbent. I am certain many people voted for Kerry because they liked him, although i didn't think he was a great candidate, he was the lesser of two evils, and at the end of the day that is sometimes all we get.
Stonefree
"the lesser of two evils"... How sad, but how true. In a world where America needs strong, moral, honest, and transparent leadership at all levels, all we can sometimes get is "the lesser of two evils" for viable candidates. God Bless (and please help) America.
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Posted: Jul 29th, 2007 03:33 am |
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mstone wrote: Stonefree wrote: Sorry my point was to characterize the vote to represent a distaste for the incumbent. I am certain many people voted for Kerry because they liked him, although i didn't think he was a great candidate, he was the lesser of two evils, and at the end of the day that is sometimes all we get.
Stonefree
"the lesser of two evils"... How sad, but how true. In a world where America needs strong, moral, honest, and transparent leadership at all levels, all we can sometimes get is "the lesser of two evils" for viable candidates. God Bless (and please help) America.
Unfortunately the best at raising campaign funds usually is who we get to vote for...so we end up with a "bought candidate".
If people would research the candidates and vote their conscience during the primaries we might end up with two good candidates.
Primaries; should all be held the same day or keep it like it is???????
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Posted: Jul 30th, 2007 05:41 pm |
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I think that primaries should all be held the same day. The current system allows the candidates to concentrate their campaigning in the states with the earliest primaries--until this election, New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina. In addition, this race for states to move back their primaries is ridiculous. Primaries should be on the same day to avoid all of this nonsense. Doing that would also be a better test of a candidate's nationwide appeal, instead of his or her chosen spin towards the important states.
There are still a few things about the election process that I don't agree with (mainly the electoral college). It's interesting to observe the trend that's occurring, though--when an unfavorable candidate is put into office, clearly something is wrong with the system and must be fixed. However, if one's chosen candidate wins, then the system is okay. If 9/11 hadn't happened in 2001, electoral college reform would have been an important legislative issue.
Which reminds me of the 2000 election...though it doesn't seem like he will run, who here would vote for Al Gore? I'm pretty sure that I would, but for now, I'm an Obama girl through and through.
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