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Anna Diemer
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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 02:06 am
Vicki:  I'm glad that I'm not the only one noticing these kinds of things.  If you'd like to write an editorial, I'm fully behind you.  It'd be good to have the problems recognized in the community.

ff12:  I think that a lottery would work for the rest of the parking spots that are left...first, students should get spots in an order something like this...
1) Seniors
2) Zero Period or Weaver kids
3) Students who have after school activities or a job after school
4) Students who have a special situation (ie: both parents work or something like that)

And all the rest of the spots could be a lottery for the juniors that don't have spaces yet.  Sorry if I've left out anyone in the order, but you get the idea.

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 12:34 pm

Anna~~


Why should a senior automatically take precedence over a kid who takes a zero period class or a kid who is involved in after school activities or a kid who has a job?


What if you have a senior who does none of the above....


You're saying they should have the spots over a kid who probably deserves it more???



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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 04:03 pm
Sorry, Cracker, you're talking to someone who's going to be a Senior next year and knows how high schoolers are...^_^  Remember when you were a senior in high school?  Did you think that you were better than the underclassmen?  I don't want to put words in your mouth, but...if all the seniors weren't offered spots, there would be a HUGE fuss.  I don't know if you're being facetious, but I do know that seniors would be offered spots first anyway--it's how Northwest works.  Seniors get to leave for lunch early, seniors get to leave school 5 minutes early to get to their cars...seniors should get to park at school.  My class (next year's seniors) has about 550 students in it, and I think that we have at least enough parking for that.  I'm not saying that a senior who doesn't do any of that deserves it more, but as a senior, they should have the privilege.  It's just the way high school is.

Anyway, good news!  I was called to Officer Pass's office today and had a nice little chat with him.  The original reason I was there was because I had parked in the staff parking (in the temporary lot) one of the exam days because there were no more spots left--I got there for the second exam.  One of the teachers actually took pictures of my car and license plate, which freaked me out a little bit, but Officer Pass understood my situation.

I asked him if there was a possibility that I could get a permanent parking spot.  He didn't asnwer my question, but he asked me whether I wanted to be on the parking planning committee for next year.  Of course I said yes...^_^ and started explaining the discussions that we'd been having on the forums here.  I gave him the link to the site and hopefully, he'll come and take a look at our suggestions.

Talking to Officer Pass made me realize that he is really a sweet person with the students' concerns at heart, instead of the "evil parking cop" image that I had of him.  He seems fully willing to take suggestions and make the parking system better.  Hopefully I'll remember to be polite and not open my big opinionated mouth so much.  ;)

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 04:41 pm
Anna Diemer wrote: I asked him if there was a possibility that I could get a permanent parking spot.  He didn't asnwer my question, but he asked me whether I wanted to be on the parking planning committee for next year.  Of course I said yes...^_^ and started explaining the discussions that we'd been having on the forums here.  I gave him the link to the site and hopefully, he'll come and take a look at our suggestions.

Talking to Officer Pass made me realize that he is really a sweet person with the students' concerns at heart, instead of the "evil parking cop" image that I had of him.  He seems fully willing to take suggestions and make the parking system better.  Hopefully I'll remember to be polite and not open my big opinionated mouth so much.  ;)

Anna! This is AWESOME that you directed Officer Pass here! There has been some excellent exchange of ideas here and I really hope that he and/or the parking committee will take these ideas into consideration.

You are right, Officer Pass is a WONDERFUL person. I KNOW that he really cares about each and every student at Northwest. He told me that he WANTS to be at Northwest over ALL the other schools in Guilford County. He's a "keeper" and we need to support him:-)

That was a good, candid respond regarding Senior privileges at NW. I agree with all you said. It's been quite a long while since I was a NW high schooler myself :shock: but some things have not changed! It is just a long standing "tradition" to give some privileges to upperclassmen (and that's probably not just at NW). The only thing I would add is that grades be factored into the equation. A failing senior should not have the privilege of parking at school.

 

Last edited on Jan 25th, 2006 04:43 pm by Kris McNeill

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 05:05 pm
Anna Diemer wrote: Sorry, Cracker, you're talking to someone who's going to be a Senior next year and knows how high schoolers are...^_^  Remember when you were a senior in high school?  Did you think that you were better than the underclassmen?  I don't want to put words in your mouth, but...if all the seniors weren't offered spots, there would be a HUGE fuss.  I don't know if you're being facetious, but I do know that seniors would be offered spots first anyway--it's how Northwest works.  Seniors get to leave for lunch early, seniors get to leave school 5 minutes early to get to their cars...seniors should get to park at school.  My class (next year's seniors) has about 550 students in it, and I think that we have at least enough parking for that.  I'm not saying that a senior who doesn't do any of that deserves it more, but as a senior, they should have the privilege.  It's just the way high school is.

Sorry Anna... You haven't convinced me. 


Granted it was a tad bit more than a short time ago since I attended Northwest, however, saying it's "just the way high school is" doesn't make it right.  We've discussed the teachers teaching without classrooms and the fact that you are attending school with 2000 and some students.  That's also the way your high school "is."  Does that make it ok?


I understand that you are biased because you are going to be a senior and I am trying to be unbiased because I have an underclassman who won't be driving until she is a senior, however I still think there needs to be some type of formula/criteria in place. 


I do not think being a senior should automatically give you a parking spot. My guess is that the 2 perks you listed above, leaving school and for lunch early probably have more to do with crowd control than anything else.  It's just a bonus for Seniors due to circumstances.


And you say that if seniors are gonna raise a Huge fuss if they don't get spots....WAAAAA! What do ya think folks are doing now?  Everybody is not gonna be happy no matter what the decision.


A zero period kid, no matter what grade, needs a parking spot until bus service is offered for those kids.


I do hope OP visits the forum.  Thanks for letting him know about it.


I would like to say to him that I do not envy his job one little bit! Thanks OP!



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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 05:46 pm
Cracker Jax wrote:

A zero period kid, no matter what grade, needs a parking spot until bus service is offered for those kids.



 

I stand corrected in my complete agreement with Anna on Senior privileges. Cracker Jax is right - zero period students should have first priority. I think it should go like this:

Zero Period Students (regardless of grade) with a 2.5 GPA or higher

Weaver (or other off campus classes) Students with a 2.5 GPA or higher

Seniors with a 2.5 or higher (first priority to after school activities or jobs)

Juniors with a 2.5 or higher (first priority to after school activities or jobs)

Sophomores with a 2.5 or higher,etc....

 

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 05:51 pm
And I am just "tickled pink" :D that this forum has been provided and that it appears that it may just help to facilitate a solution to this problem! Thank you NWO!!

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 06:24 pm
Anna,

I guess out of all this talk about NW parking situation, we will come to a reasonable conclusion, it needs help.  One thing I feel that everyone forgets about is that the parking is big and need management.  This may be an area for a volunteer parent(s) who have the time to join in a help manage parking.  I heard that there are over 700 parking spaces at NW.  Now in my little mind I do believe that administrators and teachers have their hands full with teaching, testing, grading test, meetings, and other requirements set by the School's Superintendent.  So I'll say this as I have said it before.  We need to put our money where our mouth is and become part of the solution instead of voicing anger and frustration.  Believe me, all of us are at this point and it does look like it will get any better soon. 

gotobeme

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 07:49 pm
Kris McNeill wrote: I stand corrected in my complete agreement with Anna on Senior privileges. Cracker Jax is right - zero period students should have first priority. I think it should go like this:

Zero Period Students (regardless of grade) with a 2.5 GPA or higher

Weaver (or other off campus classes) Students with a 2.5 GPA or higher

Seniors with a 2.5 or higher (first priority to after school activities or jobs)

Juniors with a 2.5 or higher (first priority to after school activities or jobs)

Sophomores with a 2.5 or higher,etc....

 

 

 I knew I liked you for a reason Kris!!!



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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 08:44 pm
Great suggestions! And with the NW leadership team and administrators they should come up with a great plan.

But remember we will be talking about about 1500 students ( 550 seniors, 600 juniors and 700 sophomores). I know they all won't be driving - but it's going to be close and probably a waiting list.

And let's not forget the 100-150 new students that move here through the school year.

And what's happened with the security cameras they were going to put in, So the campus hot spots - like parking lot could be better monitored?

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 10:26 pm
All right, Cracker, all right.  No offense meant or taken.  I know I can't help being biased.  However, if you asked the opinion of most of my peers, you would get the same response--seniors should automatically get parking spots.  I do agree that grades should be a factor, though, even for seniors.  You shouldn't be failing all your classes and still be able to have that privilege.

Kris: Your idea looks pretty good, except I hope you're referring to unweighted GPA.  It's not that hard to make a 2.5 weighted at Northwest because of all the honors and AP classes.  My weighted is around a 5.0...I'm not sure about the GPA thing, though.  I don't know how difficult it is to maintain a 2.5 taking regular courses...so I apologize for this paragraph.  I highly doubt that any sophomores will be able to park next year, however.  MAYBE if they have a zero period and if that, they'll probably have to park in the temporary lot.

Oh, Cracker, I forgot...there is some weird zero period bus system, but it picks kids up at around 6:30 or something ridiculous like that.  I have a friend in my zero period that rides the zero period bus.  But don't hold me to anything I say about the bus--I only know that it exists.

gotobeme: I agree with your idea of parent volunteers.  If there's going to be more requirements for parking, there will have to be more helpers to regulate it.

If you don't mind me climbing up on my soapbox...The only bad thing about requiring a certain GPA is the increased importance of grades.  With standardized testing, SAT, PSAT, AP, and all that jazz, students are getting labeled with a number.  That is NOT COOL.  One little number isn't going to determine whether I'm happy for the rest of my life.  I am a human being--I am so much more than grades and test scores.  One of the sad things about public education...

Er, sorry.  ^_^  *steps off her soapbox*

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 Posted: Jan 25th, 2006 11:17 pm

Anna....I certainly did not mean to offend either....



As a gesture of goodwill, you can borrow my Soapbox anytime... Don't have one who looks a little less angry... sorry...


 



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Anna Diemer wrote: Kris: Your idea looks pretty good, except I hope you're referring to unweighted GPA.  It's not that hard to make a 2.5 weighted at Northwest because of all the honors and AP classes.  The only bad thing about requiring a certain GPA is the increased importance of grades. 
Yes, unweighted GPA and 2.5 was just my best guess at a good cutoff. I think this would be something the parking committee could better determine by considering the range of GPAs at Northwest.

I see no problem with tying the privilege of parking to GPA. Grades ARE important. Throughout history, performance in school has been measured by grades. Some students need incentives - like maybe the privilege to park at school.  

 

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 Posted: Jan 26th, 2006 12:08 am
gotobeme wrote: This may be an area for a volunteer parent(s) who have the time to join in a help manage parking.  

gotobeme


 

I would be willing to help. Are you available gotobeme? I can get in contact with Officer Pass and let him know that we are willing to help.

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 Posted: Jan 26th, 2006 01:26 am

Yes... Grades are important.


Yes kids might just need that extra incentive.


And guess what Anna honey... Out in the real world, you are just a number too. 


:D  Ask Uncle Sam  :D


Kris, I think I'll just let you do my talkin' here from now on..... You are doin' a FINE job of it.



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