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DToney
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Posted: Aug 14th, 2006 10:24 pm |
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btw... blessings
If you don't already have one, be sure to stop by the NWO office & pick up your special copy of the issue they put out about the local towns in the NW area. Very informative! (& you won't find any of that stuff in the Rhino!) Oh... yeah! Welcome to the neighborhood!
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FatPappy
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Posted: Aug 19th, 2006 12:37 am |
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Lot's o' good stuff in the paper this week!
Of partic'lar interest to Pappy was this quote by Karen Dodd on page 9, "If we did not have concerned citizens to give time and energy, we wouldn't be building a town hall or park."
OK, Macca, cue the Twilight Zone music.
Apparently in Oak Ridge the concerned citizens are real, live human beings who are actually concerned, and they expend positive energy toward worthwhile goals for the town!
We don't put up with such foolishness in Summerfield.
In Summerfield, our concerned citizens are concerned that someone might spend a few pennies or otherwise destroy Western civilization. Their motto: "You can have my cold, hard cash when you can pry it from my cold, hard fingers!"
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FatPappy
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Posted: Aug 19th, 2006 01:01 am |
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There was also a great letter from Angela Pierotti. Well said! Well said!
"A truly selfless act requires no need to state that the act is selfless, which negates the act of giving."
Your letter just flushed that hideous $1200 charade "down the Dwayne"! Hee hee hee hee!
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Jean S.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2006 02:20 pm |
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I agree with FatPappy - it seems that Summerfield is trying to fashion itself after the Guilford County Commissioners or Guilford County government.
Oak Ridge and Stokesdale appear to be doing what needs to be done without all the bickering and name calling.
Just observing.......Jean S.
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 01:51 am |
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I'm just observing that your just observing and not posting much Jean S. ! Feel free to jump on in with your observations more often!!!
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 02:45 am |
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Jean S. wrote: Oak Ridge and Stokesdale appear to be doing what needs to be done without all the bickering and name calling.
Jean, I agree that Oak Ridge and Stokesdale have been blessed to be absent the bickering and name calling, but I am curious if you could expound on your statement that they are "doing what needs to be done".
From numerous conversations with citizens in both Oak Ridge and certainly Stokesdale, if the average citizen of Oak Ridge or Stokesdale were polled as to what their town council has done or is doing, the answers or lack thereof might astound you and them. In fact, if you asked the average citizen to name the Top 5 things either council has done, most folks couldn't name even one.
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DToney
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 09:44 am |
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| some of what they've all had to deal with is growth.... it appears they are spending a lot of time on rezoning & dealing with developers! not to mention the construction of town halls.... Oak Ridge is leading the pack with theirs already under construction...
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 12:48 pm |
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DToney wrote: some of what they've all had to deal with is growth.... it appears they are spending a lot of time on rezoning & dealing with developers!
I am curious if you would agree with the proposition that development and growth are something a town government does TO citizens rather than something it does FOR citizens?
Growth simply for growth's sake is not always good. Nor does growth come without a 'cost' to a community. If we are to have balanced growth, then the larger debate should include some focus and attention on those 'costs', both obvious and hidden, to the affected communities.
The argument certainly could be made that developers and the real estate community hold an inordinate, disproportional and inappropriate amount of power and influence over some of the town councils and town council members in the Northwest.
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Jean S.
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 03:14 pm |
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I have not been involved enough to do anything other than observe.
I do agree with "most" of the postings you and FatPappy post since I am a Summerfield "native" and have seen all the good, bad and ugly for many years. A lot of it could bring tears if I dwelled on it. I am too narrow minded when it comes to "my" roots and heritage.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 10:56 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: The argument certainly could be made that developers and the real estate community hold an inordinate, disproportional and inappropriate amount of power and influence over some of the town councils and town council members in the Northwest.
Jim, you've got my curiosity up. I was of the general opinion that the priority of laws were federal, then state, then local. The local governments create ordinances to govern local situations.
Can you clarify your comment above.
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DToney
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Posted: Aug 22nd, 2006 11:13 pm |
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| sounds like the "good-ol-boy" system to me....
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Posted: Aug 23rd, 2006 03:00 am |
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If developers do have a inordinate amount of power ,and in my mind there is no question they do, some of the blame has to go to us citizens for not voting and not attending council meetings and not fighting for what we want. We live in a property rights state. You have property- you have the right to sell it for its highest and best use which is defined as development. We don't put a value on open space, parks and farm land. Oh we like to look at it. We think it is very important if we live next door to it as long as Mr. Farmer doesn't do anything too stinky but we do not want to use tax money to protect these things. Look at the nastiness going on in Summerfield by some of the people over the wonderful park we are building using our tax money for our people. Our ordinances allow for agriculture zoning but that is only a holding for something "better" such as a housing development.
I think we have to have laws, ordinances etc but I think to a large extent over 70 or so percent of the people in this country of voting age have abdicated their power to big money ie developers.
OOPs so sorry I know I am preaching to the choir here.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Aug 23rd, 2006 12:22 pm |
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| Interestin' discussion. I ain't ready to trash local government as a institution, but there are some (you know who) local "politicians" who need to be trashed, in my opinion. But to go even further as Jane says, it ain't so much the few bad apples that are at the core (no pun intended) o' the problem, it's those who do nuthin'. An' sometimes worse than those who do nuthin' are the sleepers who are wakin' up fer the first time over somethin' happenin' on their street, who then jump on the band wagon with the first political predator who says what they want to hear an' points the boney finger o' blame at some plausible patsy. We've seen what mischief both those methods can fuel in Summerfield as I'm sure other towns have seen in theirs.
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Posted: Aug 25th, 2006 07:03 pm |
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These are some great comments, guys. I love this civilized debate.
So many people are apathetic. They don't even bother to vote, which allows people like developers to get so much power. Even if John and Jane Citizen aren't at the town council meetings, you can bet Mr. Developer will be. Unfortunately, if an issue doesn't directly affect Mr. and Mrs. Citizen, they see no reason to become involved.
Then there are the people who do vote, but don't do their homework. In my opinion, their vote is worse than somebody who didn't bother to vote at all. I will admit it's hard -- you can't just look at what you see in the commercials about what one candidate says another, or simply read the stuff that comes in your mailbox. You have to try to dig as deep as possible and compare "apples to apples," as they say.
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FatPappy
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Posted: Aug 26th, 2006 01:20 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
From numerous conversations with citizens in both Oak Ridge and certainly Stokesdale, if the average citizen of Oak Ridge or Stokesdale were polled as to what their town council has done or is doing, the answers or lack thereof might astound you and them. In fact, if you asked the average citizen to name the Top 5 things either council has done, most folks couldn't name even one.
You're prob'ly right, Mr Jim. I'm a-wonderin', though, whether that lack o' answers says more about the councils or about the townspeople, ya know what I mean?
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