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Posted: Jul 3rd, 2007 12:39 pm |
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ff12 wrote: HOW bad can Dollar General be? At Kevin Harvicks shop in Kvegas(Kernersville) several of his transporters have DOLLAR GENERAL emblazoned on them.
Dollar General's sponsor money spends as well as anybody else's... Their stores can still be ugly and tasteless.
Consider a fly trap... it can be pretty and nice. But it still attracts flies
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macca
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Posted: Jul 3rd, 2007 01:09 pm |
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| So, if people are interested in making sure stores (or any buildings) meet certain "beauty" standards (or whatever criteria the community wants), how do they go about making that happen?
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Posted: Jul 4th, 2007 03:00 am |
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Posted: Jul 4th, 2007 05:24 pm |
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| Well three council seats are up for grabs this November, but anyone planning to run must file between noon on July 6 and noon on July 20.
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Posted: Jul 4th, 2007 09:46 pm |
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jul 6th, 2007 10:17 am |
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Posted: Jul 6th, 2007 12:47 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: macca wrote: So, if people are interested in making sure stores meet certain standards (or whatever criteria the community wants), how do they go about making that happen?
A good start would be by electing town council members who are not beholden to real estate and development interests.
Quite frankly, Stokesdale desperately needs a majority of brand new town council members and a new Mayor with vision, leadership and some common sense.
Right now, Stokesdale has the best town council that (real estate and development) money can buy!
Okay, Jim, I'll bite. These are some pretty strong statements you're making. What evidence do you have that town council members are "beholden to real estate and development interests" and that "Stokesdale has the best town council that (real estate and development) money can buy"? That certainly gives the impression of money changing hands and/or impropriety, if not downright illegality. Why do you believe the majority of town council memers and the mayor don't have vision, leadership and common sense?
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Posted: Jul 6th, 2007 07:07 pm |
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What does the term "beholden to the interests of others" mean? Unfortunately,
the use locally is that one would gain financially in a direct manner. I have seen this use applied by attorneys and our governmental units where decisions are made regarding conflicts of interest. There are many other ways than direct financial gain that consitutes being beholden to others. For example, if I were a psychologist in private practice serving on a town's zoning board and one of my professional colleagues was presenting property for rezoning, I am not likely to gain financially by my vote, but I am likely to gain through increasing referals, and other social and professional benefits. Defining conflicts of interest as direct financial is easier in its application than considering gains more broadly, but the cost is to community distrust.
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Posted: Jul 7th, 2007 12:39 am |
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Scott L wrote:
What does the term "beholden to the interests of others" mean? Unfortunately,
the use locally is that one would gain financially in a direct manner. I have seen this use applied by attorneys and our governmental units where decisions are made regarding conflicts of interest. There are many other ways than direct financial gain that consitutes being beholden to others. For example, if I were a psychologist in private practice serving on a town's zoning board and one of my professional colleagues was presenting property for rezoning, I am not likely to gain financially by my vote, but I am likely to gain through increasing referals, and other social and professional benefits. Defining conflicts of interest as direct financial is easier in its application than considering gains more broadly, but the cost is to community distrust.
I don't think that the interpretation of "conflict of interest" is a local interpretation only. I think (at least in Stokesdale, the town I am most familiar with) that interpretation has been presented to Town Council members and members of the Planning Board as part of their official training by whoever provides it.
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Posted: Jul 7th, 2007 02:15 am |
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Posted: Jul 7th, 2007 03:05 am |
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I am sure you are correct that the governmental bodies are trained to use the attainment of immediate monetary gain as the criteria for requesting escuse from voting on a decision. Since as I've said, their are many other possible gains and costs that influence voting decisions, I would like to see persons running for Town Council specify in considerable detail what their interests are.
I think I'll write them down for use at the Council meetings after the election.
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Posted: Jul 9th, 2007 03:52 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: "Basically, every election is a change election. All elections are about tomorrow, not yesterday. Yesterday is only relevant as it gives evidence about tomorrow."
Former President Bill Clinton, July 4, 2007 Iowa speech
Some of yesterday's evidence is the current TC actions in past rezoning cases.
Rezoning cases are the most important decisions on the direction of future town growth. They are basically irreversible. Taxes may be added or deleted. Property and equipment may be bought and sold. Job positions may be created and removed. Once a parcel of land is rezoned, the land use changes. The land owner then builds on or changes the land. Unless the town buys the land for market value or uses ED, the land and Stokesdale is forever changed.
The TC has a proclivity toward over ruling the planning board. A group of seven people they (TC) appointed to examine the land use cases brought to them. The planning board spends their entire meeting thrashing the details of a particular case. Then the Town Council votes the opposite direction. Why does the TC over rule a body appointed by themselves?
Some examples:
Rezoning for Sunoco gas station was rejected by the PB. Over-ruled and approved by TC. This was approved by two people over the objections of eight people (7 PB and 1 TC member) And one approving TC member later said she was "tricked" .... Sure!
Rezoning for Proposed retail & building material complex south of Prince Edward Road was rejected by the PB as not conforming to the land use plan or appropriate to the surrounding land use. Over-ruled and approved by TC. Site plan for this complex was rejected by the PB last week. We'll see what TC does next week...
Rezoning for planned unit development off of Prince Edward Road that would provide a path for the 158 by-pass. Approved by PB, Rejected by TC
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Posted: Jul 14th, 2007 07:14 pm |
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As one person in their plea to not build the shopping center said that they enjoyed seeing the cows and views that was one of the reasons they moved to Stokesdale.
If you want to continue seeing the cows and having nice views then buy the land before the developers do, but dont penalize landowners who want to sell because it could be their retirement is the land that they own. Or they might want to sell because their 'view" has already been ruined by people who wanted the nice view. So if you want to preserve Stokesdale buy the view and cows from your neighbor.
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Posted: Jul 14th, 2007 08:58 pm |
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Posted: Jul 15th, 2007 08:11 pm |
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What about property owners rights?
Should their rights be trampled on because someone wants to have a view?
i WOULD RATHER THERE HAD BEEN A LOCALLY OWNED AND OPERATED BUSINESS INSTEAD OF A LITTLE WAL MART AT 158/65.But how many people that read the NWObserver and live in Stokesdale buy from Stokesdale area merchants. I have always heard that Southern Hardware was to expensive, well guess what he cannot compete with Lowes, Home DEpot , and Wally world on price, but service is better.
If you cant supportyour local businesses then why move out here in the first place if you are just going to drive back to Greensboro or Winston-Salem to do your shopping.You cannot have it both ways , nice views and convenience unless you support your local businesses and help them to grow and stock different products.
Personally a Dollar store of any kind is just another economic gain for China and a few rich corp. heads and stock holders.
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