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Posted: Mar 16th, 2007 11:46 pm |
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I propose this new discussion topic for the Forum. There are a lot of things to talk about about, but just a few are:
What is the need for ballfields.
Who will use them.
What type of location is best.
What are the best ways to fund.
What kind of balances need to be considered when locating the ballfields. What are the impacts of ballfields to residents.
What types of ballfields are there. Are they all the same, or are there differences?
I'm sure there will be many others.
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 12:20 am |
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Gosh Shamu, what about municipal golf courses? Don't they count too?
Aren't tax paying citizens who prefer golf over baseball or softball equally entitled to recreational outlets to be provided by local town government as well?
Wonder why these 'recreation experts' who wrote and managed the Summerfield parks and recreation 'survey' never mentioned golf or golf courses in their survey questions? (I personally thought that was a rather blind though probably intentional undersight and yet another reason the survey isn't really worth much as a credible measure of citizen preferences)
I wonder if more citizens would prefer golf courses over ball fields? (How would we know quantitatively one way or the other since it was not an included nor measured response choice?)
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 12:47 am |
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Ok I will bite. Baseball buddy knows a whole lot more about this than I do. But I believe there are 900 kids trying to play base ball, softball, tball on the only fields Summerfield has up at the elementary school. There is no soccer offered in Summerfield at all.
So we know we have several hundred kids who would use the fields. Could also possibly have some adult leagues with more fields.
i understand the kids play very shortened season because of the inability to get field space to play more games.
The Town is looking at 3 pieces of land that for the most part I think are 30 acres or less. One piece on 158, one piece on 220 and 1 piece on Summerfield Rd.
Off the top of my head with out knowing too much about the issues and costs I think the Summerfield Rd property makes the most sense from a proximity to the other field, ease of getting there. But there are a lot of other issues I am sure.
The Town has set aside the money to buy the property but there are probably grants that would help build the fields I don't know. The People in Summerfield have consistantly put ballfields and parks at the top of their lists of things that Summerfield needs. I think the people for the most part expect to pay for the parks and ballfields with their tax money.
As to golf as I remember when Dr Sellars went over the raw data of the surveys there were a few requests for golf courses but way down on the list of importance for the folks in Summerfield. Probably because people who play gold can go to Stokesdale for the National or play Par three at the course on Lake Brandt.
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 12:55 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: As to golf as I remember when Dr Sellars went over the raw data of the surveys there were a few requests for golf courses but way down on the list of importance for the folks in Summerfield. Probably because people who play gold can go to Stokesdale for the National or play Par three at the course on Lake Brandt.
Jane, Thanks for your response. In my reading of the Sellers survey I did not see any reference whatsoever nor any question asked about golf or golf courses? (Can you point me to where within the survey such a question exists?)
If the argument is going to be made that Summerfield residents can drive to Stokesdale or Greensboro National to play golf, wouldn't it correspondingly be fair to suggest the same equal inconvenience in driving for those wishing to play softball or baseball at other available facilities in this area?
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 01:02 am |
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Jim as I remember somewhere in the survey you got to list things if they had been missed on the survey. There was a cut off as to what made the office report.
I suppose if you can get 900 or so people in Summerfield clammering for golf courses something might be done. Although with land the cost it is and as environmentally unhealthy as golf courses are to your ground water I would not be in favor of it near my house.
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 01:06 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Jim as I remember somewhere in the survey you got to list things if they had been missed on the survey. There was a cut off as to what made the office report.
Jane, I am just surprised a question regarding golf or a golf course would not be an absolute given on a local sports and recreation preferences survey in that we all live in the golf capital of the world, North Carolina and it is a sport enjoyed by a large segment of the adult population in our state and area. To have omitted such an obvious question, seems to me an obvious error and omission in the survey not to have included at least a specific question of citizens preferences measurement. How else could we know for sure whether the interest in Summerfield among residents for a municipal golf course is 900 or 90?
The other surprising thing to me in the oversight is, that golf courses generally pay their own way once the initial capital costs for improvements are made whereas ball fields don't.
Finally, I think most people would prefer the quieter more passive sport of golf next door to their homes rather than the constant heavy traffic, cheering noise and field light pollution late into the night on a regular basis. A golf course generally serves to improve real estate values of surrounding properties while community ball fields generally have the opposite depressing effect on real estate values is an additional reason I wouldn't want ballfields near me.
Last edited on Mar 17th, 2007 01:18 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 01:25 am |
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Shamu wrote: I propose this new discussion topic for the Forum. There are a lot of things to talk about about, but just a few are:
What is the need for ballfields.
Who will use them.
What type of location is best.
What are the best ways to fund.
What kind of balances need to be considered when locating the ballfields. What are the impacts of ballfields to residents.
What types of ballfields are there. Are they all the same, or are there differences?
I'm sure there will be many others.
let's get back on topic please.
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 01:59 am |
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 02:01 am |
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Which one of us is getting shot?
Ok! Ok! I am off topic again.
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 02:03 am |
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Shamu, the 'Big Boys' upstairs don't want us talking about golf courses and getting even more of the Summerfield hookers and slicers all stirred up......
Maybe if we sweep it under the rug no one will notice is their thinking.
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 02:07 am |
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| Jim I am not sure I can be involved in a conversation about hookers.
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 02:10 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Jim I am not sure I can be involved in a conversation about hookers.
Jane and I thought all politicians and all former politicians were such W-H-O-A..... never mind!Last edited on Mar 17th, 2007 02:13 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 03:17 am |
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FatPappy wrote: He needs to step down now.
Wouldn't it be a ironic twist o' fate if Dwayne ended up workin' on a Sheriff's work crew pickin' up trash at the ballfields?
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 03:28 am |
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Well, what about Oak Ridge and Stokesdale. I remember talk at one time about hooking up with them. Maybe a 'Y'. Do you think that is an option? Maybe get a bigger area that can serve a number of purposes.
This is an important decision that we are looking at - spending over a million dollars on. I think some real discussion and evaluation of options is appropriate. Don't you?
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Posted: Mar 17th, 2007 03:32 am |
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Hi Shamu,
In today's issue of our paper, "Questions You Have Asked," we have a question and answer regarding the YMCA. We asked Mayor Ray Combs of Oak Ridge for an update and he referred us to the YMCA of Greensboro. Greg Jones, YMCA of Greensboro's CEO, told us there is "no full update on our plans to expand into Oak Ridge." For more details, see page 7.
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