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Posted: Mar 26th, 2007 12:00 am |
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| Me neither!!!
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Posted: Mar 28th, 2007 12:55 am |
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| Sure is quiet out there.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 12:19 am |
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| The ballfields must be deadhorse!
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 12:23 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: What are the costs for lighting each additional ballfield, and could this cost be reduced or eliminated by simply not lighting a field? Could the monies saved from not lighting a ballfield be more than sufficient to construct additional ballfields without lights? It would seem to me that the overall construction cost for ballfields (not including land costs) would be reduced by as much as 50% and perhaps more, simply by not lighting a ballfield.
Jim, you've made some good points, and unfortunately I don't have the expertise to be able to answer them. I don't know enough about the type of lights used, how much they cost, the costs to install and maintain them, etc. vs. the cost to buy land and build fields to even be able to respond.
Jim Flynt wrote: Could the use of a long term (99 year) ground lease for land not be utilized to significantly reduce the overall costs of ballfield and park development? It seems to me that the simple use of ground leases could easily reduce overall development costs by 50% or more.
Leasing land might also be a good idea, but I can't really respond to that one either. By my way of thinking, if I had 20+ acres, I likely wouldn't want to lease it for 99 years for ball fields. I'd either do something else with it -- build on it, subdivide it, use it for some other money-making venture such as farming on it, selling the timber on it, etc., develop it either residentially or commercially, sell it, or I'd just leave it undeveloped because that's the way I'd like to enjoy it like that. I don't know what kind of price the market would bear for this type of endeavor, and 99 years is a LONG time.
Jim Flynt wrote: What is the census history for the past 10 years in Summerfield for youth league aged children and what quantification in the number of children does that history present? What are the projections for growth in the number and percentage of children who will place additional demands on recreational support in the future, and how will this impact requiring that additional ballfields be built in the near and foreseeable future?
Finally, on the number of children and future needs, I think it's like that movie "Field of Dreams" -- if you build it, they will come. Besides the teams already established, teenage and adult leagues and church leagues could play there. Perhaps other sports not currently available in the town for people with other interests or that could be played in different seasons could be made available. Soccer, football and lacrosse first come to mind, but then maybe "lesser known" sports in their area -- maybe rugby, field hockey, etc. You could also hold tournaments there and recoup some of the money.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 12:57 am |
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Summerfield is having difficulty finding land to buy much less lease. Jim are you holding out on the town? Do you want to build a field of dreams--and charge admission?
Recoup monies by way of tournaments is an excellent idea, and I hope baseball buddy has full intentions to do so.
I can not answer the futuristic statistical question regarding number of kids, all I know is we need to concentrate on now! I am concerned that my child will soon age out and no longer be able to particpate. He will then have to rely on the high school which he may or may not cut. Our SRA is looking out for all ages.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 11:55 am |
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GRITS wrote: Summerfield is having difficulty finding land to buy much less lease. Jim are you holding out on the town? Do you want to build a field of dreams--and charge admission?
I can not answer the futuristic statistical question regarding number of kids, all I know is we need to concentrate on now!
My earlier point was simple: How is it that developers can come and are coming to Summerfield and buying land so easily and yet the Town can't seem to find land to purchase? My second point was that some of these developers are buying land at much more affordable prices than what the Town anticipates paying, which also begs the question why.
As far as long term land leases go, they are used everyday (Brassfield Shopping Center is just one instance where buildings were built on land leased under a 99 year lease). 99 years is a long time, but that is the maximum amount of time a lease can be legally made. There are financial and tax advantages which can serve as excellent tools for their use. Land leases are not perfect for every situation, but they are an excellent tool to at least consider with great benefits to all parties when they do work.
BTW, Oak Ridge and Stokesdale have both purchased park land and both are well on their way toward seeing their ballfields come to fruition. Summerfield has almost $10 million dollars of taxpayer money in the bank (with little or nothing to show for it) and can't get their horse out of the gate. Why?
Future statistical projections should be given important consideration, or else whatever you do build could easily be obsolete in capacity even before it is constructed. You wouldn't build a 3 bedroom home if you were planning on having 12 kids would you?
Last edited on Mar 29th, 2007 03:42 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 12:51 pm |
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Jim Flynt Wrote
BTW, Oak Ridge and Stokesdale have both purchased park land and both are well on their way toward seeing their ballfields come to fruition. Summerfield has almost $10 million dollars of taxpayer money in the bank (with little or nothing to show for it) and can't get their horse out of the gate. Why?
Pleeeese, this does not deserve and answer. Take off the blinders. Oakridge and Stokesdale don't have the CC's to deal with. Come to any council meetings lately? Read a paper? Look at past meeting min.? Always a road block! Like I said before, this group knows how to play the game and play it well. You of all people know this all too well.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 01:17 pm |
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| ^ That was my opinion as well. Thanks for stating the obvious Baseball Buddy. -And i dont even live in SF.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 01:46 pm |
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| No kidding Jim, If you have followed from the beginning what the CC have said and done to our town throughout the past few years, then I believe you would understand. Obviously with all of the rambling commits you have made, you really don't understand what is going on here. The CC spin situations to purposely stall, throw up smoke screens and to kill everything at every turn. They have even criticized good people for doing good things only to benefit their cause at that moment. They send letters with untruths and imply wrong doings when no wrong has been done. It is difficult to move forward if you are on damage control all the time. I don't believe the other towns have this to contend with, not to this degree. So, if you haven't been to the meetings to see what has been really happening in our town....then don't start comparing apples to oranges, because you can't! Last edited on Mar 29th, 2007 04:49 pm by Skiddles
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 03:05 pm |
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| What seems so obvious to me is that Summerfield has 5 town council members and only two of them were CC's. And as so many of you have pointed out so many times, a vote of 3 always beats a hand of 2. My question simply wondered why the other 3 town council members haven't acted? They certainly have the votes in hand to do it. And with $10 million dollars in the bank, money is not an excuse.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 03:09 pm |
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 03:31 pm |
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Jim, I know you are thought provoking and trying to get people to see all sides of things but it just seems that many of your conversations go in circles. I know I don't have the time to keep up with all the big words, lingo, etc much less the effort to try to decipher what the heck you are trying to say. I know I am lazy in some regards especially in the SF related things but many times you are talking way over my head. I would have to have 3 dictionaries open at once, 3-4 textbooks, and 2-3 paid professional consultants just to read some of your posts. I know you are probably more educated than most of us (No I did not specify smarter necessarily since that is subjective) and that is why you are like this but in my case, I ahve found that in the end, I am not going to understand what you are saying nor am I going to devote a whole week to put together a response worthy of your question.
I mean no offense in this post, I am just trying to help you, help us.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 03:34 pm |
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Hey BB, can you get the stats on the number of kids in the future?
Guys get back on the subject!
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 03:38 pm |
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bama80 wrote: I mean no offense in this post, I am just trying to help you, help us.
Bama, Thank-you (and I do mean that sincerely). Let me think about what you have said and see if I can't do better in future posts. I took no offense at your constructive suggestions and always appreciate honest insightful feedback which is meaningful. In person, I am not nearly as ornery nor as crusty as I sometimes come across in my scribblings.
I really do think that synthesized decisions from panels of diversified viewpoints create more efficient synergistic outcomes. Thinking outside the box allows us to see things we otherwise never would have dreamed of and sometimes lead to better ways of doing things.
Thanks again Bama.
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Posted: Mar 29th, 2007 04:08 pm |
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| I guess Jim, I got a bit frustrated. I do like what bama said...help you, help us.
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