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macca
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 12:24 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
By allowing Summerfield citizens and voters the right to make this important decision, both sides should know that voters made the decision fairly and democratically. I just don't see how anyone can ask for any more than that?
While this may seem a reasonable way to determine this, it sounds as though the decision HAS been made about the need, the problem now is WHERE to put them. It sounds as though they are getting feedback from the community about the 3 possibilities and will take that into consideration.
If they wait until the next election (November) then that delays it that much longer. If they hold a special election, there are expenses, etc involved. If you say "Come to Town Hall during such and such a time and cast your ballot," would that work? Would some people say they didn't know about it? Who would monitor it to make sure people only cast one ballot, or that nothing happened to the ballots already cast? Suggestions as to how this vote would take place, Jim?
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FatPappy
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 12:45 pm |
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StewartM wrote:
Shamu wrote: There is clearly a conflict of interest with the Summerfield Road property, regarding council and committee members. And I'm not talking about where people live. I'm talking about good old money in the pocket conflict of interest.
What and who are you accusing council or committee members of doing....
These are serious statements you are making about people, what do you have to back it up....
I agree! Shamu obviously has a legitimate and understandable interest in this property, but if serious accusations like these are going to be made, they need to be backed up by more than vague insinuations from people with an interest in the outcome -- financial or political.
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 01:25 pm |
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I still want to know why you think your property will be negatively affected by the proposed ball fields when Rabbit Hollow is closer to the current ball fields. And why will it benefit other property owners as you accuse such as supporters of the ball fields (Bob Williams and Debbie Hoffman). Also how about the proposed realigning (or whatever) of Hwy 150, how will that affect you. Are you wanting this rather than ball fields. Will this benefit you and make your property more valuable if DOT decides (30 or 40 years later) to come close to your property or possibly purchase your property? When people purchased property on Rabbit Hollow there were ball fields across the street at the school closer than the Friddle property.
I still recall a piece of property that the Town tried to purchase on Rabbit Hollow. Many people came out and it was a heated discussion. May be you are still mad about this and still have an axe to grind. Seems to me with this petition 35 to 40 names are not much when 800 plus children are playing ball 6 days a week till 10 pm . Others have to travel to play (I was in Thomasville last weekend for a baseball game with a team from Summerfield) because there is not enough field space to play here.
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Shamu
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 01:43 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: StewartM wrote:
Shamu wrote: There is clearly a conflict of interest with the Summerfield Road property, regarding council and committee members. And I'm not talking about where people live. I'm talking about good old money in the pocket conflict of interest.
What and who are you accusing council or committee members of doing....
These are serious statements you are making about people, what do you have to back it up....
I agree! Shamu obviously has a legitimate and understandable interest in this property, but if serious accusations like these are going to be made, they need to be backed up by more than vague insinuations from people with an interest in the outcome -- financial or political.
I haven't made any accusations of anyone. There is not one person in Summerfield that I would have trouble sitting down and discussing this with. Conflict of interest, in my opinion, and I think in the sense of government ethics, is about potential or appearance. I have not accused anyone of doing anything wrong. But I think the Summerfield Road area is tainted simply because of the co-incidence of leaders' and decision makers' interests in the area.
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GRITS
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 01:50 pm |
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Shamu wrote:
There is clearly a conflict of interest with the Summerfield Road property, regarding council and committee members. And I'm not talking about where people live. I'm talking about good old money in the pocket conflict of interest.
This is clearly a conflict of interest with Shamu. Summerfield does not need to go back to the planning board on this one. Shamu, you knew about this property from the get go. Council has been upfront and vocal to the public considering this land. You only joined the committee to "fight" and not show support. You only show support for the Marshall property only to appear to be positive regarding ballfields. You dance around the questions asked specifically addressing your number 1 choice for site location. If you have thoroughly done your homework, being an expert, you would have addressed the issue the public has directly asked regarding traffic, creeks, new highways and residents that are exact mirror images that obstruct both properties. You often say the 220 has lots of potential, but you do not give details. This property offers no more than the friddle property, in fact less acreage will be available from the front to the back of the entire site. Less ballfields or whatever other potentials that it may hold will not be available, and the town is paying more for this particular piece. The Friddle property and now you are involved piece can be used for 8 ballfields and obtained for less money. You have worked deligently and secretively to kill the Friddle property. You criticize council members owning property nearby, and insinuate their wants is to make money to put in their pockets. I guess if the marshall property is purchased you will be screaming about the the town pocketing money from renting the house back to Mr. Marshall. So wants your 'DILLY 'O' really about?
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 02:33 pm |
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Shamu wrote: FatPappy wrote: StewartM wrote:
Shamu wrote: There is clearly a conflict of interest with the Summerfield Road property, regarding council and committee members. And I'm not talking about where people live. I'm talking about good old money in the pocket conflict of interest.
What and who are you accusing council or committee members of doing....
These are serious statements you are making about people, what do you have to back it up....
I agree! Shamu obviously has a legitimate and understandable interest in this property, but if serious accusations like these are going to be made, they need to be backed up by more than vague insinuations from people with an interest in the outcome -- financial or political.
I haven't made any accusations of anyone. There is not one person in Summerfield that I would have trouble sitting down and discussing this with. Conflict of interest, in my opinion, and I think in the sense of government ethics, is about potential or appearance. I have not accused anyone of doing anything wrong. But I think the Summerfield Road area is tainted simply because of the co-incidence of leaders' and decision makers' interests in the area.
Here we go again. This is a CC witch hunt or some kind of conspiracy theory. Same old story when things don't go the CC's way. Money in the pocket conflict of intrest sure sounds like an acusation of somebody taking money for supporting ball fields in this case. I am starting to turn GREEN about this.
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macca
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 02:39 pm |
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You're probably right, BB.
Where does all this stand with the Town Committee and Town Council?
Perhaps we should just drop this dog and pony show that keeps getting trotted out here on the forum and just focus on what is really happening....
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GRITS
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 02:51 pm |
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macca wrote: You're probably right, BB.
Where does all this stand with the Town Committee and Town Council?
Perhaps we should just drop this dog and pony show that keeps getting trotted out here on the forum and just focus on what is really happening....
I 100% support your suggestion Macca. The forum has been successfully used as a discovery process since the origination of "Ballfieldss" from it's originator.
The discoveries should lie in the hands of the Town Council now. My pony is being put in it's stall. Let the Town Council do it's job, that we as voters have elected them to do. See Ya!
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macca
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 02:55 pm |
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GRITS wrote:
macca wrote: You're probably right, BB.
Where does all this stand with the Town Committee and Town Council?
Perhaps we should just drop this dog and pony show that keeps getting trotted out here on the forum and just focus on what is really happening....
I 100% support your suggestion Macca. The forum has been successfully used as a discovery process since the origination of "Ballfieldss" from it's originator.
The discoveries should lie in the hands of the Town Council now. My pony is being put in it's stall. Let the Town Council do it's job, that we as voters have elected them to do. See Ya!
Hope you're not gone for good, GRITS!!! See ya on MAAN and other threads??!!??  
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 12th, 2007 02:33 am |
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Thursday night we are going to look at the ball field lights at the New Northern School. This will put to rest any problems with area residents concerns with lighting. This type of new engineered lighting system has minimal if any intrusion off site. Lighting has come a long way in the last few years and Duke Energy (formerly Duke Power) has a whole department dedicated to ball field lighting projects. WOW! Not only will they install they make sure it is the most efficient for us. And guess what? They will finance it for us!! Cool
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S. Smith
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Posted: May 17th, 2007 07:57 pm |
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| I'd be interested to hear comments if any of you go see the athletic field lights at Northern tonight.
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Posted: May 18th, 2007 11:34 am |
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S. Smith wrote: I'd be interested to hear comments if any of you go see the athletic field lights at Northern tonight.
My pony has been it's stall long enough---I would like to know what the response to the ball lights were as well. Can anyone give an update? What other concerns were addressed? How many people showed up for the viewing.
BTW---I specifically looked out last night to see if I saw a massive light shining in the eastern sky --- thank goodness the smoke had already cleared. No lights shining in my backyard! This is a little bit of sarcasm referring way back to Shamu's earlier post regarding the intrusion of lights from Carolyn Allen being able to be seen all the way to Guilford College. Northern's lights are much less intrusive. Good job BB!
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 24th, 2007 01:28 am |
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Freedom of speech is alive and well in Summerfield. I just saw a sign in a person's yard on Shadyside Dr. with "Strike against ball fields" on it. Well, are these people against ball fields or just the area that was noted as best for ball fields?
With ball fields on Summerfield Rd there is a natural buffer around the property for sound and lights. There will be no increase in traffic to Summerfield Rd since we already play ball at the school that is on Summerfield Rd. It will spread out the volume into two areas so it will seams as if it will be decreased.
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Posted: May 24th, 2007 08:03 pm |
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| How did the light viewing go t'other night, BB?
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 25th, 2007 10:52 am |
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| The lights looked great. We could have had a better look if the street lights could have been turned off. From a distance you could see the way the lights projected on to the fields with very little if any intrusion into the other areas. Viewing the lights from Spencer Dixon Rd through the small patch of woods you could not see them. With this type of lighting and a little buffer you will never know they are on.
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