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Posted: May 2nd, 2007 11:11 am |
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Shamu wrote: shamu: I still request that if you post on this site, and you receive money for any type of goods or service from the Town of Summerfield, you say so.
stewartm: ANSWER IS STILL = ZERO
Shamu: If you own commercial or investment property within 1/2 mile of any of the sites, you say so.
stewartm: ANSWER IS = ZERO I live about 3/4 of a mile away
Shamu: You have a relative or significant friendship or relationship with someone who does fall in the above two categories, you say so - you get to say on this one, let your conscience be your guide.
stewartm: ANSWER IS = ZERO
Shamu; If the ballfields are going to be put near me, I want to have a substantial amount of input in the front end and the back end. I thought that was why Summerfield incorporated; to allow individual citizens and small groups to have a say. And if that’s what I want for me, I think its reasonable to assume that other people would like that too Remember the golden rule.
stewartm: I agree Shamu: I am not against ballfields. I think we should find a suitable area, have lots of discussions with nearby residents, and see if we can find a win-win situation, perhaps negotiating on the number of fields, number of lights and types of lights, parking capacity, hours of operation etc. stewartm: I agree we have found sites in a open process now let's discuss.
Shamu; The Summerfield Road area is highly unwanted by nearby residents ( I say this because I am in possession of a petition with over 35 names on it – and many more residents to be contacted),
stewartm; This is why they are having public hearings to get the citizens input....The town council needs this info... Shamu: has a highway planned through the middle of it, stewartm: I at one time lived 75 ft from 220 about 26 years ago...I was told they would widen 220 and take my house...2 kids was born and raised in that house...still no sign of 220 being widen
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Posted: May 2nd, 2007 11:56 am |
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Shamu wrote: shamu: I still request that if you post on this site, and you receive money for any type of goods or service from the Town of Summerfield, you say so.
BB: My company was paid $320 dollars to clean up the dump site on the Henson farms property that backs up to the park. That payment was for 2 of my men working 2 days to clean up the site and clean the pond at the park. Tom Valent's time and my time was volunteered. Also the use of my equipment and vehicles was not charged. This process actually took 3 days but I only charged for 2 as I said that was what I would do. So this clean up actually cost when all was said and done about $1500.00 If you figure in all time and cost but I volunteered my time, Tom Valent's time, and my equipment to do the job. I could not expect my labors to do it for free so that was all I charged for minus 1 day. This was a budgeted iteam and time was running out due to the park grand opening last year. That is why I done this. I am not in the business of cleaning up trash or dump sites but saw that I could help the Town and save them some money and time.
Shamu: If you own commercial or investment property within 1/2 mile of any of the sites, you say so.
BB: ANSWER IS = ZERO I live about 1.5 of a mile away
Shamu: You have a relative or significant friendship or relationship with someone who does fall in the above two categories, you say so - you get to say on this one, let your conscience be your guide.
BB: ANSWER IS = ZERO though I have probably coached some of the children of people that fall in the categories.
Shamu; If the ballfields are going to be put near me, I want to have a substantial amount of input in the front end and the back end. I thought that was why Summerfield incorporated; to allow individual citizens and small groups to have a say. And if that’s what I want for me, I think its reasonable to assume that other people would like that too Remember the golden rule.
BB: I agree Shamu: I am not against ballfields. I think we should find a suitable area, have lots of discussions with nearby residents, and see if we can find a win-win situation, perhaps negotiating on the number of fields, number of lights and types of lights, parking capacity, hours of operation etc. BB: I agree we have found sites in a open process now let's discuss. The number of fields need has been determined. Lights are needed that's a fact. Technology has come a long way in lighting especially for ball fields. There are several non intrusive type lighting systems on the market. Ample parking is needed for whatever number of fields. Figure 2 teams per field and coming in and leaving teams. Hours will depend on how many teams we have. More fields to play on will hopefully keep kids from playing till 10pm. But with the growth rate we will need more.
Shamu; The Summerfield Road area is highly unwanted by nearby residents ( I say this because I am in possession of a petition with over 35 names on it – and many more residents to be contacted),
BB; I have to disagree .This is why they are having public hearings to get the citizens input....The town council needs this info... Shamu: has a highway planned through the middle of it, BB: Painter Blvd was to be built in 1943 also. It changed many many times before being started just a few years ago. So don't hold your breath on that. Last edited on May 2nd, 2007 12:12 pm by Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 2nd, 2007 12:30 pm |
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| I will not be indulging shamu in this "outing" process. By doing so, I think it would put pressure on the rest of the forum members to toe the line which I disagree with. I will however divulge that I have significant friendships and relationships with people on Summerfield Rd..... and 220...................and Pleasant Ridge Rd...... and hwy 158... and on Capital blvd.. .and Tryon Rd..... and Rte 2.
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Posted: May 2nd, 2007 10:03 pm |
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I respect anyone's choice to stay anonymous. I'm not looking to see who people are. I'm asking to see if there are "hidden agendas" as far as where people are coming from. Someone asked me first, I think, and I thought it was a fair question.
I think it's important to the overall discussion, and will certainly be looked at by me and others, and hopefully by all voters of Summerfield, as the town makes its decisions.
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Posted: May 2nd, 2007 10:59 pm |
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I am not sure what the "hidden agenda" question has to do with anything. What is an "hidden agenda"? Shamu lives close by as does Mr. Mike and BB, I don't live close by but I really like the Friddle Property for ballfields. There are several really flat pieces of land on a road close to my house but we checked them out and they are not available. There will be no perfect place but there are some absolutes: The Town needs ballfields is the main one. So now lets come together as a town and decide where is the best place to put them. If we all are NIMBYs then absolutely nothing will ever get done in Summerfield.
Okay so the neighbors don't want ballfields why not? I didn't want Henson Farms, Henson Forrest, Armfields,theVienyards or even to be annexed in to the Town of Summerfield but they came and I was annexed. I have survived and I think the Town has done as excellent job of protecting property owners rights and property values.
The one thing I think that is saddly lacking though is a feeling of community and I think this constant I don't want it in my backyard perpetuates this lack of community. So lets get down to specifics and decide where to put the ballfieds.
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 01:39 am |
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Baseball Buddy wrote: BB: Painter Blvd was to be built in 1943 also. It changed many many times before being started just a few years ago. So don't hold your breath on that.
BB, I am curious where you got your information that Painter Boulevard was supposed to be built in 1943 or is this simply a date posted in error?
My recollection is that Painter Boulevard was first proposed in the mid '60's and the first political actions started occuring in the early 1970's. (I will go back and do a little research if necessary, but the 1943 date simply isn't correct for the Painter Boulevard as we all know it today).
I do agree that future road proposals do take time, but everyone should keep in mind that while Wendover Avenue and Bryan Boulevard were planned around 20 years prior to their actual construction, they were ultimately built.
In hindsight it is difficult to imagine what chaos traffic and driving would be without Wendover Avenue and Bryan Boulevard.
And in the very near future, we will all look back and feel the same about Painter and other major road improvements which will become necessary as well as essential as this entire Northwest area not only grows but explodes with development. Rural days in the Northwest are over and traffic congestion and highway gridlock will become and continue to be the wave of the future for those wishing to remain here in what once was, our bucolic paradise.
Last edited on May 3rd, 2007 01:41 am by Jim Flynt
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 02:10 am |
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Jim Bryan Boulevard/Benjamin Parkway were planned way more than 20 years ago. I grew up on Hobbs rd and I can remember the talk when I was in elementary school. The houses on Westridge would all go up for sale depending on where the route was proposed that year for Bryan Boulevard. That was porbably in the mid to late 50's. Actually Benjamin Parkway was built in the mid to late 50's and it was known then that there would be a connection which turned out to be named Bryan boulevard. I could walk from my house to watch them as they built Bryan Boulevard.
But either way the road planned to go by the Friddle property is not even on the wave paths of DOT and the current thinking is it would take a couple of acres certainly not go down the middle of the property but rather take one corner.
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 02:48 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote:
But either way the road planned to go by the Friddle property is not even on the wave paths of DOT and the current thinking is it would take a couple of acres certainly not go down the middle of the property but rather take one corner.
Jane, Thanks for your response to my earlier question.
I have highlighted two portions of your response, and the first part wherein you say "the road planned" suggests that a road is in fact planned (by DOT or someone for some point in time in the future). Is that correct?
I'm not sure what the second portion of your response (which I highlighted) wherein you say "is not even on the wave paths of DOT" means relative to the first highlighted portion. By this I mean, if the road has been planned by DOT for some future date, then why would the proposed location not be on DOT's wave path?
While we can agree that both Wendover and Bryan Boulevard did take a rather lengthy period of time between the idea inception and their completion, other major road projects (road improvements for Federal Express, Koury Boulevard, and Dell Computers) were in fact quite expedited based on immediate needs; they all three went from drawing board to reality in less than five years. When growth and demographic changes completely stretch transportation infrastructure, future road projects have a way of being re-prioritized by the powers that be. And if growth continues unmitigated in the next few years as it has in recent years, that may well be the case with tranportation needs and road improvements throughout the Northwest, including in and around Summerfield.
The projected ancillary needs just from the Federal Express facility, will drive our Northwest area, with explosive growth as projected and likely to occur, inflicting either serious transportation gridlock in the very near future, or demands for infrastructural improvement by citizens which cannot and will not be ignored by elected officials wishing to remain in office.
So, I agree with you that no new roads will be started tomorrow. But that new roads, throughfares and thruways will sooner rather than later find their way into our Northwest lifestsyle simply seems to me to be without question. It ain't a matter or IF. Only a matter of WHEN.
Simply go back in time a dozen or so years ago and recall what Cary, NC looked like and what roads existed there then, and then revisit Cary today to see the vast number of road improvements not even envisioned all that many years ago simply to not only ease but even to allow traffic in and out migration.
For all those folks who like the life of congestion and wall to wall sprawl in Cary now, they are going to love the Northwest area in less than 20 more years. Perhaps, even in less than 10 more years. Because the way we're going and selling out to the developers and outsiders, our three NW communities just can't seem to want to get there fast enough. We're killing the goose that laid our golden eggs and many are so blind they simply can't see it.
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 03:56 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: I am not sure what the "hidden agenda" question has to do with anything. What is an "hidden agenda"? Shamu lives close by as does Mr. Mike and BB, I don't live close by but I really like the Friddle Property for ballfields. There are several really flat pieces of land on a road close to my house but we checked them out and they are not available. There will be no perfect place but there are some absolutes: The Town needs ballfields is the main one. So now lets come together as a town and decide where is the best place to put them. If we all are NIMBYs then absolutely nothing will ever get done in Summerfield.
Okay so the neighbors don't want ballfields why not? I didn't want Henson Farms, Henson Forrest, Armfields,theVienyards or even to be annexed in to the Town of Summerfield but they came and I was annexed. I have survived and I think the Town has done as excellent job of protecting property owners rights and property values.
The one thing I think that is saddly lacking though is a feeling of community and I think this constant I don't want it in my backyard perpetuates this lack of community. So lets get down to specifics and decide where to put the ballfieds.
There is clearly a conflict of interest with the Summerfield Road property, regarding council and committee members. And I'm not talking about where people live. I'm talking about good old money in the pocket conflict of interest.
So you think that by forcing ballfields on a bunch of people who don't want it, that will forward a sense of community?
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 10:12 am |
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Shamu wrote:
So you think that by forcing ballfields on a bunch of people who don't want it, that will forward a sense of community?
Sometimes it does come down to what is best for the greater good of the community versus rights of individuals. If it does, we could only hope we as individuals, residents and good neighbors would be willing to let our conscience be our guide.
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 10:15 am |
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I own property within a quarter of a mile of the proposed ball fields. I don't understand how this ballfield is going to make a bit of difference to the price of my house. The only person that I am aware who owns any property in the area on the council is Bob Williams. As I understand he owns two rental houses and a piece of Friddle Property right close to the proposed ballfields. It would seem if your theory is right that he would be very much against the ballfield in that area because it would hurt his potential resale value of his property. I think more than anything the council is for ballfields.
Do I think forcing ballfields on a community encourages community no more so that forcing 200 houses on a community but I also think that there are lots of people in the area who are not against the ballfields.They recognize the advantage of ballfields over 30 more houses and the advantage of open space.
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 10:32 am |
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ok my conscience is my guide, and my conscience tells me that my heart is for the kids in this community. My heart tells me that only our youth is going to be hurt, and as a separated community due to worries of having to reach down deep into their pockets we have disappointed our kids. The value of life in Summerfield is quickly being deminished. It is sad but very true----conflicts of interest has ripped and frazzled of even the most generous souls against his neighbors.
Why, why , why?
I am left with nothing but sorrow, and grief, and only pray that this "straw-man" will find his heart.
Eventhough, it feels as though Satan has bitten a piece of our American Dream, my conscience and my heart tells me to NOT GIVE UP. All of Summerfield must come together and show support for our kids. Hang in there Summerfield, the kids ballfields are at the end of the rainbow, along with that pot of gold.
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 11:07 am |
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Shamu wrote: There is clearly a conflict of interest with the Summerfield Road property, regarding council and committee members. And I'm not talking about where people live. I'm talking about good old money in the pocket conflict of interest.
What and who are you accusing council or committee members of doing....
These are serious statements you are making about people, what do you have to back it up....
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 11:34 am |
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macca wrote: Shamu wrote:
So you think that by forcing ballfields on a bunch of people who don't want it, that will forward a sense of community?
Sometimes it does come down to what is best for the greater good of the community versus rights of individuals. If it does, we could only hope we as individuals, residents and good neighbors would be willing to let our conscience be our guide.
That entire line of thinking certainly could easily open a long and open minded discussion and philosophical debate of the merits of the collective good versus the individual rights of a minority and the individual. Which might inure to the benefit of both.
To not enage in such a larger community discussion of this dichotomy, can and will only lead to the continuation of one side versus the other, and will insure the ongoing formidable obstacles to building community or consensus. With continuing and often bitter divisive results.
The decision making and the decision making process for such an important decision should be conducted only with the foundation of consensus decision making models as the guide. A Google search of 'consensus decision making' might be informative to those unfamiliar with the process.
Last edited on May 3rd, 2007 11:35 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: May 3rd, 2007 11:44 am |
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Shamu wrote:
So you think that by forcing ballfields on a bunch of people who don't want it, that will forward a sense of community?
You know, a long time ago somewhere on this Forum, I suggested that both sides should simply agree to put this whole ballfield question to the Summerfield voters on a ballot and let them decide.
If both sides truly feel as strongly as they do that a majority of citizens are on 'their side' then I cannot see why either side would be unwilling or afraid of letting the people decide? And then let all sides live with the results.
By allowing Summerfield citizens and voters the right to make this important decision, both sides should know that voters made the decision fairly and democratically. I just don't see how anyone can ask for any more than that?
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