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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Apr 27th, 2007 02:00 am |
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| Good Job to Beth Kaplan in this weeks NWO with the fact based positive response to the recent mailing by Gail Dunham. Well written !!!
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: May 2nd, 2007 03:30 am |
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Great turn out at the Town Council meeting. A lot of FFS came out for support. Let's keep on keep'n on.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Jun 5th, 2007 10:41 am |
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Reminder
Friends For Summerfield meeting tonight (5 June) at Adkins home 7 pm.
Agenda is on the website http://www.friendsforsummerfield.com.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Jun 12th, 2007 04:40 pm |
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Reminder
Summerfield Town Council Meeting tonight 6:30 pm
During Public Meeting on Change of Government, we'd like as many as possible to stand up and ask the council
"I would respectfully ask the Town Council to vote to put this item to referendum in the November elections, so I may exercise my democratic right to vote on it"
This is deliberately worded to simply ask the TC to put it to referendum, so the people may decide if they want it or not.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Jun 14th, 2007 01:04 am |
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Steve Adkins wrote: During Public Meeting on Change of Government, we'd like as many as possible to stand up and ask the council
"I would respectfully ask the Town Council to vote to put this item to referendum in the November elections, so I may exercise my democratic right to vote on it"
Congratulations to Summerfield, we asked our Town Council for this action, and they voted to put the issue to referendum.
Now Friends For Summerfield, time to shift gears and educate the voters why the change to a Manager Council government is the right thing for Summerfield.
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S. Smith
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2007 02:00 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: Steve Adkins wrote: During Public Meeting on Change of Government, we'd like as many as possible to stand up and ask the council
"I would respectfully ask the Town Council to vote to put this item to referendum in the November elections, so I may exercise my democratic right to vote on it"
Congratulations to Summerfield, we asked our Town Council for this action, and they voted to put the issue to referendum.
Now Friends For Summerfield, time to shift gears and educate the voters why the change to a Manager Council government is the right thing for Summerfield.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me this is basically going to end up being a Concerned Citizens vs. Friends for Summerfield issue (I think the council elections could end up being the same thing).
As I see it, the Concerned Citizens or those who generally think like them will believe it is not a good idea because it adds another layer of bureaucracy to town govenment, gives less power to the council, etc. The Friends for Summerfield will argue that it is a good idea because it will streamline government, give the manager more decisionmaking power on day-to-day things, and force the council to look at the "big picture" rather than the minutia.
What do you guys think?
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FatPappy
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2007 02:47 pm |
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I vote fer streamlined an' lettin' the expert manager an' staff deal with the minutia. As long as people hear both sides in a unbiased way an' reach a informed decision before they vote an' don't get swayed by the personalities involved rather than the facts, than that's all anybody can ask fer.
One thing I've heard Strickland say is that under the manager-council form, the council members could be personally liable in some instances if a bad decision is made by the manager. What I'm wonderin' is, under the present system, is there no similar possibility of personal liability?
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2007 08:36 pm |
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S. Smith wrote: I could be wrong, but it seems to me this is basically going to end up being a Concerned Citizens vs. Friends for Summerfield issue (I think the council elections could end up being the same thing).
As I see it, the Concerned Citizens or those who generally think like them will believe it is not a good idea because it adds another layer of bureaucracy to town govenment, gives less power to the council, etc. The Friends for Summerfield will argue that it is a good idea because it will streamline government, give the manager more decisionmaking power on day-to-day things, and force the council to look at the "big picture" rather than the minutia.
What do you guys think?
Those arguments in your 2nd paragraph have already been made, and will continue to be made, so that part of your statement is probably correct.
Friends for Summerfield will educate based on the facts, encourage voters to vote, and let the people decide. FFS will NOT send mailings around with half truths and skewed facts to confuse people (which the CC's are known for).
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2007 08:59 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote: S. Smith wrote: I could be wrong, but it seems to me this is basically going to end up being a Concerned Citizens vs. Friends for Summerfield issue (I think the council elections could end up being the same thing).
What do you guys think?
FFS will NOT send mailings around with half truths and skewed facts to confuse people (which the CC's are known for).
Sandra, with this first shot from one side, looks like the next political campaign between the CC's and FFS that you imagined has just started.
They're off and running! Yee Haw. We knew it would happen!
Last edited on Jun 16th, 2007 09:00 pm by Jim Flynt
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FatPappy
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Posted: Jun 16th, 2007 11:17 pm |
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Steve Adkins wrote:
Friends for Summerfield will educate based on the facts, encourage voters to vote, and let the people decide. FFS will NOT send mailings around with half truths and skewed facts to confuse people (which the CC's are known for).
Music to Pappy's ears, Steve!
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Baseball Buddy
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Posted: Jun 17th, 2007 02:39 pm |
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| FFS is a positive, fact based, no half truths, educate the people on the subject group. The CC's are not. Just view the mailers you get from them and research what is printed. Half the story or some type of conspiracy. The CC's send out mailers just days before a vote containing lies and skewed figures on budget items. Not to mention always putting fear into people of raising TAXES. When in fact taxes have been lowered. Now what we have before us is NOT another layer of bureaucracy but just a change of roles from administrator to manager. The council will still have the power but will not have to micro manage all the functions of the Town. This will free up some time for council to work on more important issues. Maybe some of the council members will have some free time for a hobby such as baseball.
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2007 12:42 pm |
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FatPappy wrote:
One thing I've heard Strickland say is that under the manager-council form, the council members could be personally liable in some instances if a bad decision is made by the manager. What I'm wonderin' is, under the present system, is there no similar possibility of personal liability?
Well, Pappy, as near as I can figger, the personal liability of council members seems to be about the same under both systems. It doesn't seem to be a significant factor against the council-manager system.
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2007 01:02 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: FatPappy wrote:
One thing I've heard Strickland say is that under the manager-council form, the council members could be personally liable in some instances if a bad decision is made by the manager. What I'm wonderin' is, under the present system, is there no similar possibility of personal liability?
Well, Pappy, as near as I can figger, the personal liability of council members seems to be about the same under both systems. It doesn't seem to be a significant factor against the council-manager system.
Pappy, Are you talking to yourself???
I honestly don't know if the personal liability issue is a valid argument against the council-manager system or if it is the same under either system of government. Is there a lawyer in the house?
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2007 01:10 pm |
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| Not only talkin' to myse'f, but answerin', too. I'm not a expert on this stuff by any means, so if anybody else has better intel, I'll be more than happy to look at it. Yeah, me too.
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Aug 4th, 2007 02:41 pm |
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There will be a Friends For Summerfield meeting at Steve & Deb Adkins house Tuesday 7 August @ 7:00 - 8:30 pm. Address 7591 Cassidy Way, Summerfield.
Patti Stokes of the NWO will be attending the meeting, to discuss the particulars of how to hold a Summerfield candidates forum, ie at the Summerfield Park, as has been discussed in other topics here.
All who would be interested in helping in such a public forum are invited to attend. Your anonymous forum identities will not be discussed, unless you choose to do so.
Jane Doggett will be chairing the meeting in my absence, as I will be in the air headed to Mexico on business at that hour. My wife will be here, our home is still available.
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