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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 12:51 am |
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| What do you think about this case, and has the latest information about how the DA put only lacrosse team members in the lineup changed your perception of the case any?
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DOGGETTJA
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 03:00 am |
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I can't imagine what Nyfong is doing except trying to keep Durham from exploding over this case. There is tremendous tension between the Durham population and Duke. Maybe he over reacted. The colleges are known for their partying, distructiveness and disregard for the law. Sounds like the Lacrosse players were even worse than most. They made some really bad choices and now here we are.
I heard today, I think it was, that Duke had not had its usual number of applications and this case was being blamed for it. In my case it would be the $40,000 a year would be the reason that my kids weren't applying.
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 11:18 am |
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 12:15 pm |
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Think Nyfong's actions would have been the same had this not been an election year?
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macca
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 12:54 pm |
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Looking back on the reporting of this incident as it unfolded, the Duke community (university, not Durham) evidently had strong suspicions about this team. There were reports of other questionable activities they had engaged in, etc., so much so that the rest of their season was cut short by the coach (with pressure from his superiors, for sure). Anyway, it seems this was a group that was easy to prey upon.... Maybe this young woman knew that, or maybe someone put her up to it.....
However, it does seem that these many months out, these particular charges seem less and less credible and that the DA's office should cut its losses. Since they're not doing that, does that mean there's more to it than we know? Seems hard to believe, with all the attention it's gotten.
Although Nifong has just been re-elected, aren't there some sanctions that could be placed against him if it can be proven that he was overly zealous in pursuing this case?
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 12:56 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: This whole thing started out as an effort on the part of the accuser to extory money from the Duke Lacrosse team members, and then once this case took on a life of it's own under an unscrupulous district attorney, the two of them (DA and accuser) have now painted themselves into a corner where there is no graceful exit.
And now I understand there are paternity tests going on, the accuser is pregnant, and despite having taken the "morning after" pill after the shenanigans at Duke, having tested negative at the time for pregnancy, they are still testing if any of the Duke Lacrosse players are the father. Talk about justice run amok.
I am starting to wonder if Nyfong and Kenneth Starr were trained together ????
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 06:00 pm |
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The Duke Lacrosse case is a classic example of a rush to judgement where groups of people with pre-determined agendas seek to take advantage of a situation that at first glance appears to feed directly into their biases. Athletes are boorish hooligans. The rich Duke students get away criminal behavior because their Daddies get them the best lawyers money can buy. The white man is still using black women for their pleasure and the authorities look the other way.
There is a significant minority of faculty and students at Duke who are anti-athletics who attempted to take advantage with a well publicized petition that accused Duke of having "A culture of rape." and speculated that athletes playing sports that use helmets are inclined to violence. Durham DA Mike Nifong gave more than 70 interviews, many of them to national media, in the first few weeks after the rape alligations became public. In these interviews he made statements such as "I definitely believ a rape occurred" and "the DNA evidence will prove it". Soon every black rights, civil rights and womens rights group in the country seemed to jump on the bandwagon. These groups became so invested in the case that the actual facts of the case became irrelevant. Some individuals even stated that they didn't care if the accused lacrosse players were guilty or not because of the historical record of black men being falsly accused of raping white women.
For anyone interested in a good summary of the case try this link:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060904fa_fact
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 07:26 pm |
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| Isn't this "mob mentality" what used to get people lynched?
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 09:04 pm |
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Kind of the same mob/fox news mentality that has everyone thinking every Muslim is a terrorist.
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Posted: Dec 21st, 2006 05:31 pm |
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That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there, rasin.... mob mentality and fox news. I watch Fox News but don't think every Muslim is a terrorist. I also watch CNN, but I don't believe people that blow themselves and innocent people up are "freedom fighters" like they report.
That being said, I am also conscious enough to understand that when you have a group that at its core believes that I ought to die only because I'm a Christian and an American - they are terrorist. They require me to change my beliefs to match theirs either by choice or by force. Just because they don't fly a plane into a building doesn't mean that they are willing to accept my right to believe as I do or even exist.
Some people get upset when we look suspiciously at a Muslim in an airport or crowded mall. While overtly that's wrong, we can't simply stick our collective heads in the sand and hope that the "good" Muslims will rally to condem the violent acts of the "bad" Muslims. We all know that ain't happening.
Terrorist are from all nations and religions. However, to ignore history, current events, and the obvious will only empower these terrorists and lead to more attacks.
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Kind of the same mob/fox news mentality that has everyone thinking every Muslim is a terrorist.
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Posted: Dec 21st, 2006 06:01 pm |
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Using history to identify a terrorist is a very dangerous one.
Just as the 9/11 terrorists changed the highjack paradigm from one of taking the plane to get political attention to using the plane as a weapon; they will change the stereotype of who is a terrorist. In the Vietnam War a little child or old women could just as likely be carrying a hand grenade.
I don't mind that Fox News has an agenda; I just wish they would stop telling people that they are "fair and balanced". Anyone that has to remind you that they are "fair and balanced" several times an hour is probably not. Their slant on the news is pretty obvious; one example is long after even the President admitted that there weren’t weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a significant percentage of Fox New viewers still thought there were. And the way they pumped the Imams/US Airways story for days clearly stoked the stereotyping of Muslims. It was a story that should be covered; but clearly didn’t command the beating a dead horse they applied to it.
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Posted: Dec 21st, 2006 07:27 pm |
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Agree with your first point. The definition of a terrorist has less to do with religion and nationality and more to do with motivation and actions. A child wanting to blow up servicemen with a hand grenade is a terrorist. In the 70's, we called hijackers... err.. well, hijackers. The reality was they were terrorist. We're slowly learning.
Let's see... Fox News - Fair and Balanced, CBS News - A Name You Can Trust, CNN - The Most Trusted Name in News, NBC - America's News Leader. I could go on, but you get the picture. There's not a business, product, or network that doesn't beat you over the head with thier slogan.
I agree their slant on the new is obvious, but at least they aren't trying to hide it. ABC, CBS, and the others want you to believe they are the model of unbiased and balanced. They ain't. What offends me is that they portray themselves one way and report another. Like I said, at least Fox doesn't hide their slant.
As for specifics, how about Dan Rather falling all over himself for Sadam Hussien or lying about the Bush service records fiasco? How about Barbara Walters making excuses for Clinton lying to the public and to a court - Lewinski fiasco?
As for the Imams/US Airways story, I'm sorry, but that is the world that the Muslim terrorist created. I won't apologize for that. If I would have been on that plane, I would have raised "heck" too - or likely taken actions. Be honest, wouldn't you? Exactly what do you think these guys were doing? I personally believe they are trying to see what sort of resistance their co-conspiritors will face when they make their next airline terrorist attempt. Yes, it is a story that should be covered; but until we find a way to eliminate such threats, that horse ain't dead.
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Posted: Dec 22nd, 2006 05:17 pm |
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Rape charges against Duke lacrosse players dropped....
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1115698/
Accuser says she can't remember if she was raped or not.
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Posted: Dec 22nd, 2006 05:54 pm |
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I don't want to be offensive to anyone here, but can someone explain how you can't remember if you were raped or not? Either you were raped by 3 men or you were lying. I'm pretty sure I know where that one falls.
The other troubling thing is that Nifong isn't dropping all of the charges - just the rape charges. They are still charged with kidnapping and sexual offense. That's gonna be hard to prove as well. Since it's been discovered that Nifong knew the DNA evidence didn't link the players, but hid it from the defense and public during his election campaign, the wheels are falling off this bus very rapidly. His credibility is GONE, and anyone in Durham hoping for any justice had better hope that they don't have to depend on the DA to prosecute a real crime.
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Posted: Dec 23rd, 2006 01:40 am |
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mstone wrote:
As for specifics, how about Dan Rather falling all over himself for Sadam Hussien or lying about the Bush service records fiasco? How about Barbara Walters making excuses for Clinton lying to the public and to a court - Lewinski fiasco?
How about Fox "News" payin' a man who butchered his wife to tell all those inquirin' minds how he did it if he did it, wink, wink? Yeah, I know they didn't go through with it.
I miss Walter Cronkite an' Eric Sevareid myself.
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