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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Nov 14th, 2006 02:23 am |
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FatPappy wrote: But do they offer anything positive for Summefield?
Absolutely nuthin'.
Amen!
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Posted: Nov 15th, 2006 04:25 pm |
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I just looked on the concerned citizen's webpage and noticed that Robert Flowers was still listed at one of the contacts for the concerned citizens. That made me wonder about Ms. Flowers talk at the town council meeting last night. I would assume by looking at the contact list that he is steering committee member for the concerned citizens. I wonder why he didn't contact the northwest observer and just state that he was no longer a member like DC did. I don't think the article in the paper was saying that Mr. flowers himself was using the freedom of information act but that the concerned citizens were and he certainly seems to be a member. Sometimes you are guilty of association. One should always be careful of who they associate with and especially be careful of who you give the right to use your name. Sometimes it does come back and haunt you.
I also noticed that on this webpage that Mom is not listed anywhere but she certainly seems to be representing them.
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Cracker Jax
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Posted: Nov 15th, 2006 06:03 pm |
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Hairbrush wrote: I wonder why he didn't contact the northwest observer and just state that he was no longer a member like DC did.
Didn't ya hear Hairbrush??? It was hunting season. He had better things to do.
I heard that Mom thanked Mrs. Flowers for coming and making her speech to council.
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Posted: Nov 17th, 2006 11:06 am |
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IMHO, it must take a truly miserable person to try to ruin what has been a creative and entertaining outlet.
GOLDEN RULE?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
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Posted: Nov 18th, 2006 11:47 am |
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I've asked this on the Summerfield Town Council forum and am hoping someone can provide an answer. The question occurred to me after I learned yesterday that Councilman Dwayne Crawford, former member of the Concerned Citizens, sent out an email to people he believed were posters on this forum and blind copied "dozens" of people. Because these people were blind copied, we have no idea who they are. I believe it's reasonable to suspect that at least some of them are members of the Concerned Citizens group.
Why did Dwayne make it a point that he was copying dozens of people on the e-mail, all of whom are anonymous at his discretion, when in fact the very point he was trying to make was that people who make bold statements and take bold actions should always and openly identify themselves?
Apparently Dwayne is, and has always been quite irritated because some of the posters on our forum have chosen not to reveal their identity. That being the case, why is it okay for the Concerned Citizens not to identify themselves, other than about four or five people on the steering committee plus Gail Dunham? Who ARE these "Concerned Citizens" and why don't they come forward? Maybe their reasonings are the same as those of the people who post on this forum ... that is, assuming there really are more than four or five of them in existence.
When Sandra Smith wrote an article about this group about a year and a half ago, she asked how many members there were, when did they meet, could we see a copy of their meeting minutes, etc. Ironically, she got answers only to select questions on her list and not to any of the above.
I think it's time that we file Freedom of Information requests to the Concerned Citizens/National Taxpayers United of Illinois. Anyone want to help compile a list?
And, if there are any Concerned Citizens reading this posting besides Councilman Dwayne Crawford (who we know is a former member and suspect still blind copies members on his emails), we would appreciate any light you can shed on why you as a member of this group don't want to reveal yourself, yet posters on this forum are being slammed for not revealing themselves. Remain anonymous if you want, but the double standard just does not get it with me.
CONCERNED CITIZENS - IT'S TIME TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND FROM OFF OF THE BLIND COPY E-MAIL LIST! Stop hiding behind Gail Dunham's apron. Let's roll up our sleeves and see if we can find any common ground so that we can move our town forward again.
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Posted: Nov 18th, 2006 03:44 pm |
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EditorPS wrote: I think it's time that we file Freedom of Information requests to the Concerned Citizens/National Taxpayers United of Illinois. Anyone want to help compile a list?
Great idea, Patti, but unfortunately I don't know that this can be done. In fact, Ms. Dunham, who seems so up on all the laws, doesn't seem to understand that the Freedom of Information Act only applies to the federal government and its entities.
In this state, the Public Records law applies to the state and municipalities that lie within it. Patti and I have attended several seminars by the N.C. Press Association on this topic. So anyone that wants to demand records from a government can do so.
The CCs have repeatedly said and shown that they don't have to answer any questions, tell what they're doing with information, produce any meeting minutes, tell who their members are, etc. etc.
However, they tout openness and honesty in government. And Dwayne Crawford's issue with this forum seems to be that people can/do misrepresent themselves by not using their real names.
Why should the people of Summerfield or this forum have to put up with a double standard like this??? I don't get it....
While, as far as I know, it wouldn't be backed by a law, nothing would stop citizens from demanding answers from the CCs -- especially since at least one of them (and I'm really confused now about Dwayne Crawford's connection now with this group) is on the town council. I believe council members should represent their constituents, who put them in office in the first place -- not a special interest group.
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Posted: Nov 18th, 2006 03:56 pm |
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Hi Sandra,
Good to talk to you!  Actually, I didn't mean to be taken literally with filing Freedom of Information requests -- you have educated me well through your recent article on when and how that process can be used.
What I meant was that we should file requests for information in the same manner in which Concerned Citizen representative Gail Dunham files her requests for information with the town -- very specific questions that demand an answer and have a timeline associated with them as to when we expect those answers. And if we don't get an answer to any or all of those questions, we should make it very public that we did not receive answers to our questions.
I do not know legally if the Concerned Citizens as an entity would be required to answer our questions -- perhaps that is something we (the Northwest Observer) could verify. Regardless of whether they are legally bound to answer them, I would argue that the CC group is ethically bound to answer questions posed by their fellow citizens of Summerfield, especially since they are making bold and as of yet unfounded accusations about some of our elected officials.
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Posted: Nov 18th, 2006 04:11 pm |
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Patti - you put "ethics" and "CC's" together in the same sentence.
did you mean to do that, or was that an oversight? An oxymoron maybe?
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Posted: Nov 18th, 2006 04:21 pm |
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EditorPS wrote: I think it's time that we file Freedom of Information requests to the Concerned Citizens/National Taxpayers United of Illinois. Anyone want to help compile a list?
Count me in
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:22 am |
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I had posted this elsewhere, but somebody pointed out that it might belong over here to.
Looks like the tactics of Dunham/the Illinoise taxpayer group didn't effect the sherriff's race any. Sherriff Barnes was elected by a huge margin anyways. And I heard the CCs were campaigning for that other guy.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:26 am |
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zippitydoodah wrote: I heard the CCs were campaigning for that other guy.
And that's just one more reason why that other guy lost.
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 02:36 am |
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zippitydoodah wrote:
Looks like the tactics of Dunham/the Illinoise taxpayer group didn't effect the sherriff's race any. Sherriff Barnes was elected by a huge margin anyways. And I heard the CCs were campaigning for that other guy.
Pappy don't know 'bout Illinois, but the folks down here figgered it out just fine. Mebbe them Illinois voters didn't make it down here to the polls in time.
Did you notice, Zippity, that in that flyer Mom sent out, there was mebbe 3 vague sentences about Blanks an' the rest was the usual negative mess against the Barnes family an' so forth?
If she's down here, then Illinois tarns out to be the real winner!
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 06:34 am |
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This Concerned Ciizen group does not represent my viewpoint nor do I agree with their tactics. The two new members of the Town Council should step down and allow people who are interested in accomplishing something join the council. I initially thought this group was acting in the public interest but I now know better. Both individuals act like know it alls, well I have a suggestion. Buy a dictionary and look up the word respect. Read it several times and once the meaning has sunk in, demonstrate your comprehension level by treating people with some of it.
Public service used to mean something. Politics is self serving, mean spirtited and being monopolized by insecure people who desire constant attention!
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 10:19 am |
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jimia wrote: This Concerned Ciizen group does not represent my viewpoint nor do I agree with their tactics. The two new members of the Town Council should step down and allow people who are interested in accomplishing something join the council. I initially thought this group was acting in the public interest but I now know better. Both individuals act like know it alls, well I have a suggestion. Buy a dictionary and look up the word respect. Read it several times and once the meaning has sunk in, demonstrate your comprehension level by treating people with some of it.
Public service used to mean something. Politics is self serving, mean spirtited and being monopolized by insecure people who desire constant attention!
Thank You & Welcome jimia.
You hit the nail on the head. The CC's are small but loud. However, the rest of the population is large, but respectful. (notice I didn't say quiet) Doing a good job of applying the golden rule. Looking to the future.
There are more of you out there lurking, that we want to hear from, so do like jimia, get registered, and let's hear from you !!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Nov 19th, 2006 11:52 pm |
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jimia wrote: Politics is self serving, mean spirtited and being monopolized by insecure people who desire constant attention!
Good-NESS! I've been so busy this weekend, I missed our new member...
(#2 of dozens perhaps?)
Welcome to the forum jimia!!!!!!!!
Jump on in here any time!
I think jimia might have hit the nail on the head when he/she mentioned the desire for constant attention.
Councilman Crawford's latest actions remind me of a little puppy jumping up and down in front of us and saying "Notice me!!!! Notice me!!!!" Consider this a little pat on the head Dwayne and run along and play nice. k??
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