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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 04:40 pm |
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Ok Jimbo... Macca says everyone reads the forum and Pappy's just confirmed that the Jolly ol' fat man reads it so I edited my post (that was funny as heck by the way)
You might want to edit those two of yours (that were funny as heck too) before SMS gets off the plane.
Just a suggestion. 
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 04:43 pm |
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The Jolly Fat Man reads the forum, Mr Jim! Ever'body knows that!
But Pappy, I can't just post my list right here on the Forum for the world to see. Why some of the things I am a wishin' for are downright personal and would be considered shamefully sinful if not downright illegal in some alien cultures.
Why is it that the good stuff is always considered bad for us?Last edited on Oct 17th, 2006 05:00 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 04:49 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
But Pappy, I can't just post my list right here on the Forum for the world to see. Why some of the things I am a wishin' for are somewhat personal and could be considered shamefully sinful if not downright illegal in some alien cultures.
Wuh-oh! Are you sure you've been good this year? Hee hee!
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 04:51 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Jim Flynt wrote:
But Pappy, I can't just post my list right here on the Forum for the world to see. Why some of the things I am a wishin' for are somewhat personal and could be considered shamefully sinful if not downright illegal in some alien cultures.
Wuh-oh! Are you sure you've been good this year? Hee hee!
Pappy, did I say I have been 'good' this year?
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 05:02 pm |
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To get back on subject, I don't think we need to get into teachin' specifics o' any type o' religion in public schools. That ought to be left up to the parents. But I don't think we should go out of our way to act like there's nuthin' goin' on, either. That's de-education an' it's confusin' to the young'uns.
It'a tough one. At the very least schools ought to recognize the main cultural traditions o' the community somehow. But then, I don't know what to say about non mainstream beliefs except "Have some o' these green frosted triangular cookies. Uh, sorry...somebody ate all the chocolate."
I don't know. We all got to get along somehow.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 05:07 pm |
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FatPappy wrote:
We all got to get along somehow.
Amen.Last edited on Oct 17th, 2006 07:02 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 05:19 pm |
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In the past few days, I have been quite taken and touched by the beauty and grace and love those Amish families up in Pennsylvania have shown to the world through their forgiveness of the killer's actions and their embrace of his widow and family left behind. They are not torn by bitterness, anger or strife. They have no hate.
Could we begin to be even nearly as good?
I know they have torn that old Amish school down now, but I wonder if they worried about Christmas parties or holiday decorations or discussions of Santa Claus in that little one room school or if they concentrated more on teaching their children those much more important and meaningful lessons in life such as love, compassion, grace, humility, community and forgiveness.
Just last night, on the television news, one of the Amish women made such a profound statement in saying: we turn over the bad things that happen in life to God, because He makes good things come from them.
For so many years, outsiders have seen the Amish as being behind the times with their agrarian traditions and lifestyle habits and mannerisms. Some might even say old fashioned and old fogeys, byproducts and cast offs of a bygone era.
Yet just in the past few days, the Amish have shown this country and the world how much more real they are than us and how much further along they are in their understanding of the teachings of Jesus. They teach us the real meaning of forgiveness and love and compassion in ways that most of us so called Christians can only pay lip service to.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 06:02 pm |
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| Plumb profound, Mr Jim. I thought their reaction was nuthin' short of amazin'.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 06:20 pm |
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FatPappy,
I love what you wrote!! ANd to let the kid be kids is exactly the point..They don't look at Halloween as evil , they think of candy and costumes .With all these bad things happeneing in schools today..Let them enjoy these little things.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 07:40 pm |
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kidwell wrote:  Hey everyone,
Did anyone else think of the fact that we are sent home a fundraiser within the first month of school...Well the inside of that catalog is full of Christmas stuff, plenty of red and green, santas, snowmen, angels , etc...Now let me get this straight my child who is in 1st grade can not have a holiday party or decorate the room with red and green BUT you want us to sell at least 20 items in that catalog??? Something doesn't make sense here does it???!!! Well I tell ya I will not sell anything next year and hope many follow...You can't make money off the holiday we can't celebrate.
I picked up the NWO yesterday and have just finished reading about the new policy at Stokesdale Elementary. Intrigued by it all, I had to come check in here and see what everyone was saying about it.
Kidwell, You make a very good point about the fundraising items. The PTA is an extension of the school and if the school is disallowing symbols of the holidays in the classroom, then they should not be asking (and often with school fundraisers it comes across more like a requirement) students and parents to sell items that symbolize the holidays either.
I do not believe that a school's PTA and the school should be considered separately. To me, it sets a poor example if they are not supportive of each other's objectives and policies for the school.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 08:03 pm |
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kidwell wrote:
With all these bad things happeneing in schools today..Let them enjoy these little things.
Much obliged, Kidwell. I agree...they're young'uns, not social experiments. They got 'em under too much stress these days an' fer no good reason, if you ask me.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 08:15 pm |
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I think the root of the problem at Stokesdale Elementary can be summed up in 3 words - CHANGE IS HARD. It is hard for adults - parents, teachers, the entire adult community. And it is even harder for children. Just read what Patti Stokes wrote on pg. 33 about the change she went through when she was 10 years old! Change is often so difficult for children because they don't have any choice or voice in the matter.
That said, I think it would have been much easier if this change at Stokesdale had been made a little more gradually. When my children attended Colfax Elementary (many moons ago!), these same changes were made there. But as I remember it, it was done gradually.
For example, I remember one year when the parents and children were told that "scary" costumes (witches, devils,etc) would not be allowed at Halloween. The next year, I believe that only kindergarteners and first graders dressed up and then they may have discontinued costumes alltogether the following year. My memory of celebration of the "winter" holidays was gradual inclusion of all of the December holidays.
I think it's just so unfortunate that this new policy was initiated so abuptly. I can see it being very difficult for many in Stokesdale who are longtime residents of such a small, close-knit community. I'd be willing to bet that there are 3rd, 4th, 5th (?) generation students at Stokesdale Elementary.
I really like what Beth Rickerts said on pg. 14, "School is not just about book learning. It is about learning to deal with life. The reality is that we are all different and we will not always get what everyone else has. Whether we are in the minority of a religion, a celebration or a cause, we must learn to handle our differences and beliefs with dignity and respect for others."
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 08:16 pm |
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The decision as to which fundraiser to use was made last spring, before this controversy ever arose. It is a catalog fundraiser, and is the same one that has been used for at least the past 6 years.
In terms of policy, the School-Based Leadership Team discussed this whole issue. Based on what the PTA Board of Directors understood to be a decision to change the policy, the Board did vote to do away with an activity specifically related to Santa, because we saw it as a conflict. (Now that it's been determined that it was never voted on as a policy change, the Board action may be undone...)
I have to respectfully disagree that school and PTA should be viewed as one and the same. Policies made by the school are not PTA policies and vice versa. You are correct that ideally the PTA and school would support each other, but that doesn't mean that there is always total agreement.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 09:06 pm |
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What does a child making a gift for there parent have to do with Santa? Maybe because it doesn't bother me I don't see it as someone else would but the child just looks at is as a gift from them to there parent , mine is still young so maybe when they get up in the higher elem. grades they don't make things but I know my mom still cherishes the things I made for her. I don't mind change I think it was just the way it was so all of a sudden we felt blind-sided.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:37 pm |
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Why can't the teachers just do a short lesson on the different holidays for different ethnicities? When I was in elementary school people who celebrated Christmas were the majority so the calendar and events were directed around that. The Jewish students still took their Jewish holidays off from school but the rest of us did not get the day off. I can remember as a child wondering why they got our holiday off but we didn't get theirs?  That is all there was, Christians and Jewish where I lived. Personally I like all the different holidays, I find it interesting and it makes the world an interesting place.
We are not teaching peaceful co existance by all the quibbling over holidays or religious beliefs or politically correct language, we are teaching that we should be judgemental, confrontational and objectionable to those who are different from us. I don't understand?
I also would like to say that Pappy and Jim wrote very eloquently, thank for speaking so well on behalf of some of us who may not be gifted in that manner.
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