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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 03:25 am |
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| Good points, Crackah!! ♥♥♥
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DToney
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:06 am |
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| parents need to stand up to this principal & anyone that supports her narrowmindedness... it is thoughts and actions like these that have us in the shape we are now... everyone is turning away from Christianity & it really ticks me off that we can support other religions and not the one this country was founded on!
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:26 am |
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DToney wrote: it really ticks me off that we can support other religions and not the one this country was founded on!
Which religion was this country founded on? Methodist? Presbyterian? Quaker? Baptist? Episcopalian? Catholic? Judaism? Lutheran? Mennonite? Southern Baptist? Disciples of Christ? Unitarian? Wesleyan? Pentecostal? Moravian? Jehovah's Witness? Free Will Baptist? Nazarene? Greek Orthodox? Seventh Day Adventist?
And here I was thinking we all (our forefathers) left the Old Country to get away from the state imposed religion of the Church of England?
I thought that the purpose of a school was as a place to teach and learn, and not a place to party and have parties? Am I missing something here?Last edited on Oct 17th, 2006 10:39 am by Jim Flynt
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macca
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:38 am |
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DToney wrote:
parents need to stand up to this principal & anyone that supports her narrowmindedness... it is thoughts and actions like these that have us in the shape we are now... everyone is turning away from Christianity & it really ticks me off that we can support other religions and not the one this country was founded on!
DToney, Since you evidently have no children at the elementary school you probably don't know this, but this principal did a very brave thing on Thursday night. She walked into a meeting of folks, some of whom were very upset with her, and told them she was wrong, and that she hoped that everyone could get beyond the hoopla and back to the purpose of educating our children... All of this stemmed from misunderstandings and miscommunications.
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DToney
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:42 am |
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Jim Flynt wrote: DToney wrote: it really ticks me off that we can support other religions and not the one this country was founded on!
Which religion was this country founded on? Methodist? Presbyterian? Quaker? Baptist? Episcopalian? Catholic? Judaism? Lutheran? Mennonite? Southern Baptist? Disciples of Christ? Unitarian? Wesleyan? Pentecostal? Moravian? Jehovah's Witness? Free Will Baptist? Nazarene? Greek Orthodox? Seventh Day Adventist?
wasn't it Christianity?
And here I was thinking we all (our forefathers) left the Old Country to get away from the state imposed religion of the Church of England?
Correct.... freedom of religion...
I thought that the purpose of a school was as a place to teach and learn, and not a place to party and have parties? Am I missing something here?
definitely.... but to say nothing goes... a little much
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DToney
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:42 am |
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macca wrote: DToney, Since you evidently have no children at the elementary school you probably don't know this, but this principal did a very brave thing on Thursday night. She walked into a meeting of folks, some of whom were very upset with her, and told them she was wrong, and that she hoped that everyone could get beyond the hoopla and back to the purpose of educating our children... All of this stemmed from misunderstandings and miscommunications. WONDERFUL that she is big enough to admit it! Kudos!
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blessingsalways2u
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:43 am |
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HI Folks,
Macca, that is great news, hopefully everyone can take her lead and forgive and forget. The kids will be watching this whole situation and I am always amazed at how much kids take in when we think they are not aware of what is going on.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:43 am |
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macca wrote: this principal did a very brave thing on Thursday night. She walked into a meeting of folks, some of whom were very upset with her, and told them she was wrong, and that she hoped that everyone could get beyond the hoopla and back to the purpose of educating our children...
Amen. I second her emotion.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:52 am |
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DToney wrote: DToney wrote: wasn't it Christianity?
Can you tell us what "Christianity" means?
The problem with "Christianity" as a concept is that there is no consensus of what it means. That is why our founding fathers created our government such with a clearly defined separation of church and state.
And if you don't believe me, then ask all of the following if they agree with YOUR definition of "Christianity" instead of THEIR definition of Christianity:
The Methodists. The Presbyterians. The Quakers. The Baptists. The Episcopalians. The Catholics. The Jews. The Lutherans. The Mennonites. The Southern Baptists. The Disciples of Christ. The Unitarians. The Wesleyans. The Pentecostals. The Moravians. The Jehovah's Witnesses. The Free Will Baptists. The Nazarenes. The Greek Orthodox. The Seventh Day Adventists.
The other problem with teaching religion in schools is that everyone is in favor of it as long as what they teach is "our" (Fill in the _________blank) religion.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 10:57 am |
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DToney wrote: Correct.... freedom of religion...
Whether we agree individually or not, freedom of religion also extends to include freedom FROM religion.
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 02:24 pm |
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Macca,
My son goes there and I have not heard anything about a meeting !! What happened? Can we just leave things the way they were?
And to the one who wrote school being just parties...that is not it ..it went beyond a party..When you can't even put red and green in your room or hang a spider for Halloween it takes away some fun for the classroom ...And teachers these days want to help make school fun for kids so they want to learn...They just were learning about spiders in the classroom...it may have been a little more fun with some spiders hanging around...
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 03:38 pm |
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Fergive yer ol' Pappy fer buttin' in. I ain't got no real practical solution for all this, just tryin' to make sense of it all in my own haid. It's not a easy thing to ponder.
Religion (not God, but religion) is about somebody's interpretation -- right or wrong, good or bad -- an' neither I nor anybody else ought to have to live under somebody else's interpretation that we don't agree with. When the foundin' fathers said freedom o' religion, I take that to mean not a denial of our heritage (the ideas that somehow came together in 1776 obviously came from a specific somewhere), but rather freedom from someone else's interpretation bein' imposed on others. We should be, and are, free to listen or not, to God or anybody or anything that suits us. For a government, especially one devised by imperfect humans, to require otherwise has never an' will never work.
By the same reasonin' though, there also ought to be freedom to express, or at least freedom to recognize the existence of, some of the basic foundin' principles o' this country. The United States of America officially recognizes the existence of God don't it? It says so, of all places, on our money. From before the beginnin' o' the country, when America was only a twinkle in our foundin' pappies' eyes, we have officially recognized that God not only exists, but He went so far as to endow us with inalienable rights such as life, liberty, an' the pursuit o' happiness. With such basic premises an' the authority fer makin' 'em squarely stated, our founders proceeded to set their brand new country smack dab on that foundation. Whatever you believe or not, it's hard to honestly get aroun' that set o' facts.
The problem with openly admitting that such basic ideals as the existence of a Higher Being are officially recognized an' are woven into the very fabric of our country, is keepin' that broad declaration from turnin' into a narrow interpretation an' a justification of a officially sanctioned religion of one sort or another.
In other words, I'm right back where we started.
So, in conclusion (Hooray!!) an' despite all that ramblin' mess, let the poor little young'uns pursue a little happiness. Let 'em eat a little Halloween candy, let 'em hang up some Thanksgivin' decorations, let 'em have a little party (coincidentally along about the same time as Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa/Sir Isaac Newton's an' Humphrey Bogart's birthdays), while we continue to sort it all out. An' don't give 'em no dang big project over Christmas...uh, I mean, Winter Break. Give 'em a break!
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 03:44 pm |
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I need a hankie after that one Pappy!!! 
I swear I heard the patriotic music playin' in the background when I read that!
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DToney
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 03:48 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: DToney wrote: DToney wrote: wasn't it Christianity?
Can you tell us what "Christianity" means? To me... Christianity is a follower of Christ.... the different segments of the following is mere "methods of worship"
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DToney
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Posted: Oct 17th, 2006 03:55 pm |
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Pappy, you have the insight of the greatest of the forefathers! You say it as well as it can be said. I'm all for the "to each his own" concept... and wouldn't falt anyone for how they choose to worship the higher being of their choice... but by the same token, our "foundin' Pappies" DID weave the belief into the fabric of our country... for that I am truly grateful. AMEN, Pappy!
The worst part of it all... is that the kids DO see the squabbling & they end up in the middle of it all.
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