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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 10:36 am |
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Another thought I have about liberal media. Have you watched fox news? They tout themselves as conservative. I think to paint W as a victim of the liberal medium gives way to much credit to the media. I think the other thing would we be better off with a conservative media or would we essentially have the same problems? Editaorials have to start from some point. Everybody has a leaning and comes to an issue with certain understandings. I don't think the news producers are in cahoots with each other to keep us citizens from knowing things. Too much news competition these days, to many ads to sell, too much money to be made.
I think the issue is credible information. Were those news stories listed about credible. I know there are a world of stories that are not credible that would cause a great deal of killing and sorrow if they were widly run as true.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 11:31 am |
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When people say the liberal media is bashing America, I think they need to understand they're actually bashing the failed policies of the American administration. They're not bashing America. Bush is NOT America.
I'm not particularly fond of Democrats or Republicans or most of the so-called media. I do like NPR though. I think Dianne Rheem is great. I think NPR provides a very thoughtful balance. Neil Bortz and his kind do more harm than good with their tiresome and predictible regurgitation of the party line approach.
Four years ago when our elected officials voted on the war, they did so for unity, or out of trust...whatever. What about today? Has anybody learned anything from the mistakes that were made? Do we need to look at where we are and maybe change our perception of what's going on instead of blaming everything on liberals. That's just ignorant.
Yep, must be an election comin' up...
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 11:37 am |
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| Good point, Mr Jim.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 12:09 pm |
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macca wrote:
Steve Adkins wrote:
Just wanted to jump and and say thanks to y'all for keeping this discussion civil on such a controversial subject. Y'all are great !!
Blog onward.............
PeachMan wrote:
Just a reminder, for those that may have forgotten:
bama80 wrote:
liberals = media. redundant.
Not sure my point was clear here.... SMS was commending participants for being civil and then some started being insulting to those who oppose their views, IMHO.
Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they don't understand or that they have forgotten.... It may mean they just have a different opinion. ♥♥♥
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 12:30 pm |
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Yep, shows like Neil Bortz, which I have only caught bits of a few times, seems to cater to people who love to hate. Listen carefully to the D.R. show and find any comment that puts the opposing party in a favorable light. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Bush fan and am strongly against war in any country, but there must be a Republican somewhere who serves well for the American people. I guess I'm just weary of hearing "the Bush administration" precede every negative comment on the show.
Ol' Dianne is becoming more and more a Neil B. lookalike. She needs to suck up and play fair. 
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 12:50 pm |
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| Good points, Starcatchr. To be fair I do hear the slant you're referring to when I don't have my guard up, although I'm not ready to put DR in the Neil Bortz category just yet. To me, it's the difference between giving listeners thoughtful views to think about (DR), or just reciting today's lesson which is the same as yesterday's (Bortz, et al).
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 01:38 pm |
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The real deal on the media is this... I like having NPR voices on the airwaves. I like having the liberal views in the printed media. By the same respect, I like hearing Bortz, Limbaugh and Fox News. I want to hear both sides. What I don't want to hear is some blow-hard spouting off his views and opinions while reporting them as unbiased facts (either liberal or conservative).
The other part that bothers me are these folks that complain that America (not the Bush Admin) are bullies, we kill randomly, we attack countries without provocation, we violate international law, we torture, we destroy, we kill the environment, we are the cause of all social, political, and environmental ills that the world has to endure. That's bull. Name another country as compassionate and generous as America. Name one country that sends more support and aid all over the world than America. Heck - we even send aid to countries that feel compelled to destroy us.
Then, the news media reports all of this tripe as fact, shows our flag being burned, and hate-filled speaches are broadcast over and over as if to drive the point home. That's the problem with the liberal media. They are quick to report this junk, but wouldn't dare point out all the good America is doing in the same countries. You also won't see them pointing out that these hate-filled entities are murdering people, starving them, and attacking our country.
Man, I feel better for unloading that!
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 02:24 pm |
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I want to hear both sides. What I don't want to hear is some blow-hard spouting off his views and opinions while reporting them as unbiased facts (either liberal or conservative).
Exactly. I agree.
You also won't see them pointing out that these hate-filled entities are murdering people, starving them, and attacking our country.
Then how do we all know about such things?
The other point I want to make is I like to hear good news too. But if you're driving down the road and you're staying in the lane and everything's going fine, you don't expect your passengers to constantly say you're doing good. But if you're about to run off the road, you expect somebody to make some noise about it. It's not so much that you want to hear it, but you definitely need to hear it.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 03:50 pm |
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EXACTLY RIGHT! I want to hear what's going wrong, and the sooner the better. However, when we're doing something right, that should be acknowledged too. I don't expect this balance to happen on the network evening news, but when you have 24/7 news networks on cable, they could provide the balance needed. They have the time and resources to tell both sides of the story - they just don't have the will to do what's right.
Using FatPappy's analogy, if I'm driving down the road in my lane, I don't expect kudos for doing what I'm supposed to do. However, when I go to France where they drive on the wrong side of the road (American bias), and I put forth the effort to stay in the proper lane against all reasoning that I've learned over the years, then maybe I should get a pat on the back for not causing an accident or running into a building.
Americans have been going all over this world to provide relief, aid, and security to others (other people's roads). It's simply the right thing to do, and maybe we shouldn't expect a pat on the back for not turning our backs on the world. But I don't expect people to hijack planes and kill innocent people because they don't agree with our policies, government, of religious beliefs. Let's hear the liberal media run THAT story.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 04:01 pm |
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I love how my last post was seemingly overlooked....just like in the "real world". 
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 04:31 pm |
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| Do you ever wonder what is pulled from our media and reported in other countries as truth and the example of ALL Americas?
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 06:10 pm |
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The IAEA had the uranium under seal before the invasion. Many of the “Radioactive Sources” were medical and industrial sources used in testing. After the invasion many of the radioactive sources were looted and started showing up in scrap yards. Since this source of uranium and radioactive materials was known before the invasion, unlike the purported WMDS, it highlights how little planning GB did for the period after the initial invasion.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 06:34 pm |
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| Rasin is correct. Most radioactive sources were previously identified - MOST. Also, most were medical and industrial in origins. However, if you are riding on a bus, airplane, or subway and a "dirty bomb" is detonated with this material, do you really care if it's medical or industrial waste? Or is it your main concern going to be exposure to radioactive materials? Think about it - go to the dentist and get an x-ray and they'll cover you with a lead lined apron.... that medical radioactive material is well controlled, but they still are taking precautions to protect you from exposure. I don't think the Islamic-radical-terrorist are going to hand out led lined coveralls prior to using such materials.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 06:48 pm |
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| I think rasin's point concerened the poor planning after the invasion that allowed such dangerous material to get out.
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Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 06:50 pm |
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PeachMan wrote:
I love how my last post was seemingly overlooked....just like in the "real world".
Nice avatar, PeachMan. Ain't that the Emperor's buddy?
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