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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Jul 13th, 2006 02:45 am |
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Anna Diemer wrote: I definitely agree with your "pressure" statement, Steve. The northwest area is growing so fast that I think NWHS will be perpetually crowded, at least some.
Agreed Anna
With the projected drop in enrollment to 1,750, NWHS would need to be expanded to the 2,400 range, to achieve around 75% capacity, in order to absorb the local growth for a few years.
I barely know what I'm talking about, but in my mind the mathematics are so simple, it is just sad our BOE "leaders" are looking the other way on this situation.
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Kris McNeill
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Posted: Jul 13th, 2006 01:34 pm |
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Posted: Jul 13th, 2006 05:33 pm |
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| http://www.dormanhigh.org Last edited on Jul 20th, 2006 04:43 pm by Kris McNeill
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StewartM
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Posted: Jul 13th, 2006 06:42 pm |
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| WOW Kris I went to the web site, what a school....its said enrollment was 2722...thats 9th thur 12th grade.......We need the school board to take a look at what a school this size should be like......I wonder how they funded it.....Lottery???....Thanks for the info Last edited on Jul 13th, 2006 06:44 pm by StewartM
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Kris McNeill
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Posted: Jul 13th, 2006 07:20 pm |
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Posted: Jul 13th, 2006 09:51 pm |
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You're right, Kris. Dorman High School is incredible.
I'm more and more concerned about the lottery and how much it is going to help in building new schools. I do think it will help some, but the problem is that since it is touted as an education lottery, people will think bonds are not needed and won't vote for them. And the state may say that since so much money is being raised for education that they don't need to fund as much (giving with one hand and taking with the other).
Here's some local education math (doesn't take a mathematician to figure this one out):
Guilford County being 20 years behind on school construction + Northern won't even get NWHS down to permanent capacity + with more people moving to this area = BIG PROBLEMS (my opinion only.....)
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Steve Adkins
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Posted: Jul 14th, 2006 02:18 am |
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Kris McNeill wrote: SMS is gonna bring on the sign 
Hmmmmmmmmm................
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Posted: Jul 21st, 2006 10:46 pm |
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Okay I have to jump in here, as a person that fought hard to get relief for NWMS and more for Summerfield and NWHS I can't stand it. You are right about numbers, as I told the BOE at about 20 meetings! take a school with 2500-750 plus 10% growth that we have and inthe year 2011 (when all 750 will be at Northern) and you have over 2000. Anyone want to bet a pizza I am close to the correct number?
As to the question, why don't they fix the school, the answer is always $$ and the fact that we make good scores, so they see it as 'not broke'-- Remember Dudley not working right after $31 million dollar project? They yell racism and take our money to fix things that weren't even in the project, yet NWHS had cuts from that same bond. NEMS got an expansion because their school was in 'worse' shape than NWMS, built the same year, and not nearly as overcrowded... think about it folks! It is all political
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DToney
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Posted: Jul 21st, 2006 11:11 pm |
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Dorman is my old "neck of the woods" & my cousin's child graduated from there. Where we just moved from was Lexington... my daughter's school would have been White Knoll - a relatively new building. Lottery money did not have a thing to do with either building... it was tax dollars! see this link... https://www.edline.net/pages/White_Knoll_High_School
they currently have 1,679 students, but the building (if I'm not mistaken) was built for 3,300 about 5 years ago...
I just don't see how they can build the new Northern so small... yeah... everyone "wants" a small school, but the reality is that we "need" larger ones to house the amount of students we need to educate... and the numbers increase each year...
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2006 12:01 am |
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| As politically incorrect as this is I will say it anyway. The politicans will hint at this very thing without admitting it, but its white flight that makes the cities cring.. it leaves the poverty level and ethnic mix in the cities very skewd and they don't like it. With high poverty levels at Smith, Dudley, its hard to keep the kids passing (they have been failing and dropping lower for years) Many want to save those children by redistricting so that the numbers change.. mind you those students don't get a better education, they are just hidden from view.
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DToney
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2006 11:50 am |
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| I'm all for "neighborhood schools" rather than moving kids around just for the sake of numbers....
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2006 12:38 pm |
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From what I've seen attending many meetings over the years (and especially the meetings when redistricting was discussed), parents almost universally are in favor of community schools. I think Debora can attest to this too. They ensure that you go to the closest school, that you go to the school with kids in your neighborhood, and that parents can more easily participate in school activities because they don't have to travel across town to get to a school -- something some parents couldn't do if they wanted to because, unlike most of us out here, they don't have their own transportation.
Unfortunately this process does lead to disparity, and that is what needs to be fixed. I can actually understand the Mission Possible program. It's not that teachers in other schools (such as the NW-area schools) are less dedicated to their profession -- but if you have to work harder to try to get the scores of kids up, if you have to work harder to try to get parental help, if your safety is possibly endangered, why not get paid more?
I also like the magnet school concept. Many of them are located in areas where the schools are more in the low-performing bracket, which gets kids of other "socio-economic backgrounds" into the school. The only complaint I've heard about this is that sometimes neighborhood kids get moved to another school to make room for the kids who have signed up to go to the magnet. I've also heard from some parents whose kids attend the school that if your kids don't go to the magnet (they're in the "regular" classes in the school), you are sometimes overlooked or treated like a second-class citizen.
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DToney
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2006 01:11 pm |
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"class" now that is an issue in itself!
as for violence in schools... with more parental involvement... that too drops...
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2006 01:46 pm |
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Sandra,
Well said. My only problem with Mission Possible is moving teachers that have had negative value added scores for two years to another school without additional training. It makes it seem like the students are the only reason for 'negative growth' no responsibilty given to good or bad teaching. These teachers will be moved to other schools and then need help learning how to perfect their profession, and not continue doing what has created 'negative growth'
Magnet schools have historically been put into low poverty areas to bring the mix that you spoke of, but the problem is that all data says that magnets aren't as successful unless the entire school is magnet based, which in turn displaces the neighborhood children. You notice there are no magnets in the county other than Brown Summit Middle, which is not a huge success story. It is suppose to be a higher academic environment, but has until this year no qualifications for attendance. Many people that I know have withdrawn their students since hours of instruction time for advanced courses have been used for remedial education.
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Posted: Jul 22nd, 2006 05:54 pm |
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DToney wrote:
I just don't see how they can build the new Northern so small... yeah... everyone "wants" a small school, but the reality is that we "need" larger ones to house the amount of students we need to educate... and the numbers increase each year...
And yet all of the statistics show that smaller schools are better on every level --- in terms of safety, educational opportunities, etc. I don't think we want to build huge warehouses just to get something new.... In the long run, it will not be worth it. We've got a long way to go, but bigger is not necessarily better.
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