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Posted: Jul 24th, 2007 10:17 am |
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 12:42 pm |
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The one thing I am comfortable in saying, is that if Bill Trevarrow were still over there as your town attorney, none of this mess and confusion over the length of the remaining term of the Crawford seat would have ever happened.
Pappy agrees that Summerfield is lucky to have a fine feller like John Wray servin'. I agree that Bill Trevarrow is a fine feller too an' any town is lucky to have him workin' fer 'em.
The quote above, however, reaches what I consider a reckless conclusion that I would think only a lawyer should be comfortable makin' or not makin'.
Furthermore, there wouldn't have been a seat to fill if Crawford had done his job.
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 02:33 pm |
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 02:47 pm |
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FatPappy wrote: Jim Flynt wrote:
The one thing I am comfortable in saying, is that if Bill Trevarrow were still over there as your town attorney, none of this mess and confusion over the length of the remaining term of the Crawford seat would have ever happened.
Pappy agrees that Summerfield is lucky to have a fine feller like John Wray servin'. I agree that Bill Trevarrow is a fine feller too an' any town is lucky to have him workin' fer 'em.
The quote above, however, reaches what I consider a reckless conclusion that I would think only a lawyer should be comfortable makin' or not makin'.
Furthermore, there wouldn't have been a seat to fill if Crawford had done his job.
Bill Trevarrow did not just leave to go to another town to work. He was publicly chastised by Becky Strickland and this forced his hand to leave. I was embarrassed for the Town when people asked what was going on. Bill Trevarrow did a great job. Take a look and see who is left from that time. Only Micheal Brandt. Everyone else is gone due to the hate from this lady and her followers (concerned citizens). Is this what Summerfield has become since the last election? I remember a loving town where neighbors cared about each other. When someone got into trouble the people felt bad for them and helped out. Now it gets exploited and a conspiracy theory formed. Is it morally correct to put a scarlet letter on someone for their downfall?
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 02:52 pm |
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 03:08 pm |
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 03:28 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote:
FatPappy wrote: Jim Flynt wrote:
The one thing I am comfortable in saying, is that if Bill Trevarrow were still over there as your town attorney, none of this mess and confusion over the length of the remaining term of the Crawford seat would have ever happened.
The quote above, however, reaches what I consider a reckless conclusion that I would think only a lawyer should be comfortable makin' or not makin'.
Furthermore, there wouldn't have been a seat to fill if Crawford had done his job.
I simply and humbly have to disagree with your assessment about my comments regarding Bill Trevarrow. It wasn't reckless when one considers the Stokesdale experience and history in replacing vacant seats.
Well, I think you're makin' way too much out of my comments an' missin' the point. I was merely questionin' your qualifications to be comfortable makin' the bold conclusion you made. Whether or not one lawyer or another would give a certain opinion in a specific case at a specific time is something I think should be left to lawyers to make.
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 03:45 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: Nor, had the information been provided correctly from the start, would the outcome of the election by a majority of the town council members of John Wray changed.
Your Summerfield Town Council in my opinion elected the most well qualified and hardest working person you had to choose from (sorry Mr. Mike, although you were and are a very close second) in choosing John Wray.
Point of clarification: The council appointed Mr. Wray and I believe he received unanimous approval
I agree they did a fine job in their duties of selecting the most qualified person for the job (especially considering the rapidly approaching budget deadline and the need for budgeting experience). From what I have seen he takes the job very seriously.
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 03:48 pm |
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I agree. I think John Wray was the best choice.
BB, I agree with your comments too. Well said.
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 04:07 pm |
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Jim Flynt wrote: One has to remember that the Town of Stokesdale has had two vacancies on our Town Council within the past 4 years, and in the process of our town council making the appointments to fill these two positions, they were guided by the legal advice of the Stokesdale Town Attorney, Bill Trevarrow. Bill did not miss the fact that both of these vacancy appointments would serve out the remaining complete terms of the underlying seat the former two council members were elected to serve. We did not have a commotion over here based on incorrect or erroneous advice from legal council over county and state election laws.
My understanding is that the problem came about when Summerfield changed their charter so that council members serve 4-year staggered terms instead of all seats being up for election every 2 years. I believe the thought behind that was that it would be extremely disruptive in trying to run the town if most or all of the council was unseated because of the "learning curve" where it takes new council members time to get up to speed. I believe Jane Doggett and maybe Mike Stewart were on the council then, so maybe they can give some more background on this.
The Summerfield charter said anyone appointed would serve the remainder of the term. With 2-year terms, that would mean the same as they would serve until the next election. When they changed to 4-year terms, serving the remainder of the term and serving until the next election no longer meant the same thing. At that time, they didn't change the wording of the charter where it talks about filling unexpired terms.
As far as I know, Stokesdale has always had 4-year terms.
So I believe when Fred Berry was apointed in late Nov. 2005 to fill Anthony Vaughn's term (which expired in 2007 and which Powell Shelton was later appointed to fill when Berry resigned) and when Bobby Richardson was appointed in Jan. 2006 to fill Randy Jones's council seat (which expired in 2007), there were no elections in the meantime, so regardless of the charter wording, there wouldn't have been an issue such as what happened in Summerfield.
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 05:36 pm |
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 06:15 pm |
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I just want to know, if Alicia Flowers had been the unanimous vote to fill the Crawford seat, would Strickland, Flowers and Dunham be making such a boisterous request for Wray's resignation? Would the three participants be content with the decision and let the issue stand and allow Flowers to fill the term? I strictly mention Flowers since this is who BS nominated.
Instead of this old news circulating and as to why the circumstance happened, I would rather hear of more corrective comments, especially from council but the citizens as well, as to if this error ever happened again, conflicts such as this can be eliminated.
Does the town charter need to be rewritten?
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 07:59 pm |
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 08:14 pm |
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I'm not a rocket scientist but even I knew that Grits meant, would they be calling for Flowers' resignation had Flowers been the one who had been appointed to the seat that Wray now holds. Last edited on Jul 26th, 2007 12:56 am by Cracker Jax
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Posted: Jul 25th, 2007 08:21 pm |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
I'm not a rocket scientist but even I knew that Grits meant, would they be calling for Flowers' resignation had Flowers been the one who had been appointed to the seat that Wray now holds.
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