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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 11:38 am |
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| How come no one cares that Armfield developers cheated the town out of 60 acres worth of park? Then, they have the audacity to ask us to rezone that property originally agreed to us, so they could line their pockets even more. I don't know about anyone else, but I am FURIOUS! If our TC allows them to build, I say WAR! They can have their additional lots when they fulfill their initial agreement.
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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 11:53 am |
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From The Cremation of Sam McGee by Robert Service, Canadian Poet
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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 11:56 am |
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I too think it is time that the Armfield issue is settled. What is happening is they want to swap the 90 acres of openspace/passive park for 20? acres of more useable land and then turn around and use the 90 acres for off site septic plus rezoning for a bunch more lots. In my opinion the park absolutely has to be settled before anything else is done. They have stalled for years now and it is time for Summerfield to say give us the deed to the 90 acres. I think the 20 acres backing up to the city of Greensboro land is possibly a good deal. We could have a situation like we have with the current Summerfield park where we lease the land from the city. But I feel the Armfields if that is a consideration should bring that option to the Town wrapped and a done deal. The Town should not be spending its time or taxpayers money on trying to help Armfield salvage their disaster.
Then the issue of added lots comes up. Under no condition would I allow Armfield to lessen the amount of open space required under the ordinance for Osrd. They are asking for duplexes/twin houses and I am sure "affordable Housing" will be thrown around. I want the Town to establish a definition for affordable housing. I am sure the Feds have one and I bet it isn't 250 thousand +.
The Armfield group has stalled long enough. It is time that they forfill their obligations before daring to ask for any other considerations.
Oops off my soap box at least temporarily.
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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 12:32 pm |
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Jane and others,
I think that most of us want to believe what people say, but once rezoning is done promises go out the door.
Remember I spoke in opposition of rezoning of the house (Hoskins)in front of Summerfield School, I was afraid of too much traffic. The developer said that it was for his company and only his wife, himself and son would be coming and going. Well know its a real estate office (extremely nice, but much more traffic) and I have heard that they want to build other offices. We need offices, but this is the problem with rezoning... people lie.
No way shoud Armfield be allowed to pull the wool over our eyes. Give us the land!
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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 02:09 pm |
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As much as I hate to suggest this , maybe its time for a good old American lawsuit.
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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 02:50 pm |
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Mama always said: "A snake is nowhere near as dangerous, as long as you know where it's layin'." At least we are aware of the ones that lie to us. I think it's time we show these blasted developers they can't roll in here and sling some money and walk all over the citizens of Summerfield. This is OUR town! Do what you say or get the the bleep out. We don't need your money that bad. And yes, it sounds like a good ole' American lawsuit. I would be happy to pay more taxes to support such an endeavor, should it become necessary.
And for the next time: Sign over that deed BEFORE the rezoning goes down.
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Posted: Dec 15th, 2006 04:07 pm |
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Isn't the original 90 acres on the deed? I am not sure of that. At the November council meeting Summerfield Properties brought up how they planned to give the town 20 acres instead of the 90 acres. I do think the 20 acres will be much more useable for us, but they need to do something now. They also worked out that the Armfield Foundation would fund the park. How convenient for the developer. BS and DC were gushing all over the developer about what a great example he was setting. A great example would have been immediately handing over the original 90 acres or coming up with the 20 acres and having everything set to go so that construction could start. Not this stall tactic they are using. They think it will sweeten the deal for their re-zoning case. I sure hope not.
Mary Doggett brought up the fact that BS and DC were being blinded by this so call good deed that Summerfield Properties was doing but all BS could say was that Armfield foundation was a non-profit. So what, the develper isn't and armfield foundation didn't promise the town the land, Summerfield Properties did. I think it is great that Armfield Foundation is going to get involved. I think they are a wonderful non-profit. I am just saddened to think they have to step to straighten out this mess.
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Posted: Dec 16th, 2006 02:06 pm |
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| This whole situation makes me sick. They made a deal. Make 'em stick to it or come up with a better deal, but let's get it settled. They're takin' us fer idiots. Meanwhile the young'uns that could be usin' the ballfields are gettin' older.
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Posted: Dec 17th, 2006 04:45 pm |
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| I am more than a little surprised that the whole town of Summerfield isn't covered with large white political type signs with huge bold letters outlined in red with the message to Town Council: SAY NO TO ARMFIELD.
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Posted: Dec 19th, 2006 06:01 pm |
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| Jane: Do you know of anywhere I could access a map to see this "wonderful" 20 acres? I am having great difficulty trying to fathom how any 20 acres could be better than 90 acres. I personally know of several people who can work wonders with a track loader.
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 12:21 am |
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Try this online weblink to the Guilford County Mapping services/system:
gisweb.co.guilford.nc.us/sdx/viewer.htm
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 12:33 am |
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Summerfieldrd The 90 acres is in flood plain, many gulleys, and far from the road. While any land undeveloped is good this land is very not suitable for anything other than walking trails. The 20 acres on the other hand is on Brookbank Rd close to the little short dirt road on the left as you go towards NW school before the bridge. Banning Rd. I couldn't remember the name. It is flat easily accessible and has the potential of the 50 acres of city land behind it.
While track loaders can do wonderful things. Summerfield has a long range plan that forces developers to identify primary conservation land which includes flood plain, steep gulleys, contiguous tree stands things like that. The developer then is charged with protecting those things in open space. Would not be cool even if possible for Summerfield to go in and destroy the very areas we consider important. better to leave it with the developer if ballfields are what we need and take this more ballfield friendly land.
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 01:52 am |
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Could this property, essentially, fill the ball field void that Summerfield so desperately needs filled? Is this the panacea that would save the town millions in land acquisition/development? It seems we have plenty of walking trails in the area. While it's hard to grasp giving up 70 acres, I can see your point. But if we were to take the 20 acres, will they still develop the other 90 acre tract, themselves?
Why, exactly, is it that we don't already have the 90 acres in our possession, developed, etc.?
Forgive me for not being completely up to speed as I am unable to make many of the meetings, but catch most of the minutes from the NW observer and this forum.
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 10:32 am |
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The 20 acres will provide 3 unlighted soccer fields which the Town has none of right now. There are meetings to be held with Mayor Holiday about the other 50 acres so I am not sure what else might be possible.
The 90 acres will be used some for off sight septic but will basically be kept undeveloped per the ordinance and conditions of develpement.
The Town has also identified 2 other pieces of land of 20 and 30 acres sizes that could serve as ball fields with lights. One is on 220 where the old car dump use to be and the other is on Summerfield RD down close to the old Food Lion shopping center. I personally of the 2 pieces identified think the piece on Summerfield Rd is the best. It has good location, low housing density, very flat but there are some significant issues which have to be worked out first.
The Town is also doing a Master Plan and that plan should identify how much more park land and ballfields a Town out size would hope to have over the next 20 years.
What we know right now is we don't have enough. Hope that helps put some of the pieces together Summerfieldrd.
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Posted: Dec 20th, 2006 09:59 pm |
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Yes, Jane, thank you!
Whatever happens, Armfield needs to get in gear! They said 90 acres years ago. I think they should give us the 90 acres and the extra 20 for putting up with all their....
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