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Posted: May 29th, 2007 09:16 pm |
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PTSA would probably not be involved with this decision, however leadership team should have been, but I don't know if you had one in place this year. The elected members of the team are suppose to be active in solicting input from different segments of the parent body. IMHO that is the most important volunteer job at a school. Again, your PTSA president should be available to discuss with you concerns over educational things.
I fear that we (our entire community) have forgotten that PTSA should be mainly an advocacy group. We (I am including myself) get so wrapped up in the day to day programs that each PTSA offers that we often forget that we are the liason between parents and administration.
I have often gone to my principal with concerns voiced by parents. That is part of my 'job' as President of a PTSA. I am sometimes the lone wolf at leadership meetings, but I didn't take on this position to get people to like me. I hope your president next year will make herself available to parents and their concerns. Maybe we should invite her to this forum. Do you know who it is?
That info should be available, maybe online or in your newsletter.
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 04:33 am |
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GRITS wrote: Dr. Misher is also not allowing any of the students to participate in any extra-curricular activities that are scheduled such as Field Day. I was told that this is not by no means a form of punishment due to poor academic performance, but instead an opportunity to improve. If this is not "punishment" then can someone explain to me what this is?
I just happened thru here and read your post Grits. I have to say, I am appalled. I can't even believe this. I agree with Dmauser that the leadership team needs to be developed, but something needs to be done NOW for these kids.
I just asked my kid about it and she didn't know any details about this contract, but did say that the kids that were being pulled out were primarily from Northeast and looked so scared sitting in that room. One of them even told her it was like being put in jail.
Are these kids from a variety of teachers or just one (i.e. Heller - who seems to be able only to relate to the speedier learners)
I may have posted somewhere here before about the awards ceremony for the second nine weeks where all students attended, and the parents of award winners were invited. At the end of the ceremony, Misher asked the students who won awards either for academics or attendance to stand. There were only about 20 kids (guesstimate) left sitting. It was just sickening. I thought at first that perhaps he didn't know that there would be so few left sitting or that it would be so obvious that there were so few who didn't win awards and figured he'd just breeze over it... but no, he said to those students who were left sitting that perhaps they needed to strive to be award winners like the kids who were standing next time and they would have to do better... I don't remember the exact words, but I was sooooo pissed! Of course the parents of the sitting kids were probably not there because their kids weren't getting awards so who would complain???
I think the man bears watching with a very close eye because if he's gonna use the A-B-C earners as an "EXAMPLE" to the kids who are having difficulty, then he's only going to cause resentment and division among the students.
There are many good things about NGMS, but if the self esteem of ANY of our children is in jeopardy, then I think it's something that needs to be fixed and quick.
You PM me Grits if you want me to do something to help you with this. I'll be glad to write a letter or something if you need me to.
I wouldn't have known anything about this if it weren't for this forum. It really makes me wonder what else is going on there that I don't know about.
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 11:14 am |
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Cracker Jax wrote:
There are many good things about NGMS, but if the self esteem of ANY of our children is in jeopardy, then I think it's something that needs to be fixed and quick.
Agreed. Amen.
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 01:23 pm |
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I really debated going public with this information, I do fear that the NMS governing body will eventually take their resentment out on my child. My child had perfect attendance for the year up until today. What does that say?
I also want to know how this "contract of hope" is going to affect his Social Studies grade since the Science and SS classes are divided up every 9 weeks. He has a test in SS today but doesn't even attend the core class to learn the curriculum with the class. Instead he has do this on his own. How self-disciplined are 12 year olds to learn on their own? Teacher guidance is a huge plus, eventually when all this is too late Dr. Misher will realize just how big of a mistake he has made. Unfortunately, it will be the student suffering.
Yes, my child has told me this is a jail, students are even referring to this as ISS (in school suspension). I even addressed this comment to Ms. Mathews, but she told me I was absolutely incorrect calling this contract of hope ISS. How can it not be, especially when privileges are taken away? Since when did suspension become a method of discipline for under achievers?
I am soooooooooooooooooooo pissed!!!!!
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 05:56 pm |
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GRITS wrote: I really debated going public with this information, I do fear that the NMS governing body will eventually take their resentment out on my child.
That is EXACTLY why I didn't send the letter that I wrote to Misher after the awards ceremony where he pointed out the kids who didn't get awards. In a school so small, one always fears that their child will be singled out.
Have you talked to any parents who are in the same situation Grits? Are any of them as upset about this as we are?
About this contract, I think I finally understand that you weren't told that the kids would have privelidges withheld in addition to the ISS. I must have glossed over this yesterday when I read your original post. I can see why you are so upset.
Did you have the option not to sign it?
If so, have you asked if your child can be released from the contract because of their failure to disclose all aspects of the contract? I'd rather pay for a private tutor or something than put my kid thru this.
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 06:53 pm |
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Everything you mentioned is what I addressed.
Again, more misinformation regarding signing the contract. After I demanded that my child be removed from this contract of hope, Ms. Mathews informed me that it didn't matter whether I signed it or not--the child was still obligated at their decision to attend. I nor the student had a choice.
Yes, I have spoken with other parents, and they are just as mad. A parent has a call into the school right now, but the principle nor the assistant principle will return the call.
I want as many people aware of this as possible. Parent can make a difference as long as we speak up and let the school know what is right.
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 09:14 pm |
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If you can't get satisfaction from the school, please email your school board representative, Darlene Garrett. Her email can me found at gcsnc.com.
It would be a sorry excuse of an adult if they took out a grievance on the very children that they are hired to help.
If you take a step back and see that social studies isn't important to anyone anymore since we don't test (I think its important, but it is not measured; so they don't care about taking kids out of ss or science) then you can see that they might have been trying to beef up the children in the cores that are tested. I am not agreeing with the method, but trying to interject some other ideas that might have merit.
If a 12 year old can teach theirselves well enough to take a test without a teacher, then my suggestion is to save money on that teachers salary. Of course kids need teachers, and should NEVER have to take a test if they weren't present during that section of education.
On a different topic, don't tell the kids, but grades have probably already been turned in.
BTW, I hear that NGMS has about 800 kids already registered, about 100 more than GCS predicted. And the architects laughed at me when 3 years ago, I asked where the trailers were going. At least each hall has a large, teachers workroom that can be used as a classroom. That might starve off the trailers for one year!
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 10:05 pm |
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GRITS wrote: A parent has a call into the school right now, but the principle nor the assistant principle will return the call.
One of the principles of common courtesy is that everyone should return their phone calls.
Including school principals.
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Posted: May 30th, 2007 11:28 pm |
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Sounds as if the teachers, assistant principal, and principal have failed. This child just wants to learn math but needs it explained to him. That is what a teacher's job is and are to be held accountable for that. From what I read this child is an A student in all other areas. Are the tutor and teacher one in the same? Might be the problem?! This sounds as if the teachers know this child could be an A student and just think he will catch on eventually. If they cared about his education and future one of them should take the time to slow down and stop being so self absorbed and teach what he needs to understand. Has the education system fallen to an all time low? When I went to school (oh no, not one of them walked 10 miles uphill in snow stories) teachers, (at least the ones I had) took the time to explain subjects to student who had a hard time with it.The good LORD only knows how many times they had to explain things to me. Seems as teachers now just keep on going and don't care who or how many understand. If one understands the rest need tutoring is the attitude you get. Now I realize there are gifted kids but, if you have 5 gifted kids in a class of 20 the 15 who have trouble don't need to be tutored. The teacher needs to find a way to slow down enough for the other 15 to have a chance to learn and catch up. I was at NGMS late one afternoon and noticed several kids there for tutoring. I know several of the boys from coaching baseball and was surprised because they seemed to be very smart children. They all were there for math tutoring. This child is not an isolated case. Sounds as if we need to look closer at the teachers methods. Food for thought.
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Posted: May 31st, 2007 01:47 am |
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dmauser wrote: On a different topic, don't tell the kids, but grades have probably already been turned in.
And because of this, I'd have to think seriously about whether or not to even send my kid and subject them to this for the final week of school. The last week is usually reserved for socializing and signing yearbooks and stuff, and if they aren't gonna be allowed to do that, I'd probably just keep mine at home.... I dunno.
What would be really cool is if the principal doesn't adapt the rules to something fair, then all the parents of these kids decide to keep their younguns at home for that week... a "walk out" so to speak.
Ok.. now I'm instigating, so I'll stop.
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Posted: May 31st, 2007 01:19 pm |
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dmauser wrote:
If you take a step back and see that social studies isn't important to anyone anymore since we don't test (I think its important, but it is not measured; so they don't care about taking kids out of ss or science) then you can see that they might have been trying to beef up the children in the cores that are tested. I am not agreeing with the method, but trying to interject some other ideas that might have merit.
If a 12 year old can teach theirselves well enough to take a test without a teacher, then my suggestion is to save money on that teachers salary. Of course kids need teachers, and should NEVER have to take a test if they weren't present during that section of education.
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And that is exactly what has happened. If the staff is gun-ho on strengthening a students skills in the core classes, then why did they choose to do this after the EOG? Why was it not done previously, and most importantly why did the school not do this during the 2-3-4 9 weeks? I know alot more kids had missing assignments and just like my child they were given a chance during the 9 weeks to complete the assignment and turn it in for partial credit. Only a selected few were singled out, that is why I personally take this as a punishment for both my child and myself.
Dr. Misher should learn from this and change his method of correction. First of all do not remove the child from all core classes for 8 hours a day, pull the student at a time of day or do this after school . Second, focus on the core subject that needs attention--not all subjects especially if the child is passing. Third, have a teacher teach the subject and not be a "FLOATER" waiting for the student to ask a question. Fourth, implement the plan of correction through out the entire school year and fifth, do not put a student in ISS for poor academic performance.
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Posted: May 31st, 2007 03:59 pm |
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All good points, I can't give a reasonable answer about why this happened after EOG's unless the child failed the EOG's-- they do get those scores almost immediately. That would be a fair question to ask. It bothers me that you feel that your child was singled out for what ever reason. The school should be a child-friendly place!
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Posted: May 31st, 2007 04:05 pm |
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BTW, we might want to move this to the middle school forum; we might get more participation.
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Posted: May 31st, 2007 04:20 pm |
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dmauser wrote: All good points, I can't give a reasonable answer about why this happened after EOG's unless the child failed the EOG's-- they do get those scores almost immediately. That would be a fair question to ask. It bothers me that you feel that your child was singled out for what ever reason. The school should be a child-friendly place!i
I asked if the scores on the EOG's were back yet and Ms. Mathews the A.P. told me no, but they were expecting them anytime. Yeah, I am aware that they get them back almost immediately---again, makes me wonder what is going on exactly.
EOG's scores are back at Northeast, and Winston Salem Forsyth have their scores back as well. Ummmm -- go figure.
I don't think and can't even imagine my child failed the EOG's, but if he did, somebody should have informed me instead of playing this game. I don't even know for sure if this contract of hope had anything to do with EOG's or not, but it would be interesting to know.
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Posted: May 31st, 2007 04:23 pm |
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I just wanted to let everyone know who have been HELPFUL reading my issue; calling the school board with your concerns are a joke.
I was told yesterday after calling Grier's office that once they had spoken to Dr. Misher he was to call me. I have not heard anything from anyone yet. This just makes me sick! Makes me question again if their best interests lies within the building blocks of a student for obtaining successful achievement toward academic performance.
However, my child should be getting out of jail today according to the assistant principal. We'll see.
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