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Posted: Jun 28th, 2006 06:13 pm |
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I do not want junk sitting around everywhere either, there needs to be more maybe someone should ask why the toilet is there and maybe they would move it. That still does not in my opinion allow others to enforce their will on property owners who have decided to hold their property as is until they feel it is time to sell, develop, farm it, commercially develop itor leave it natural. Those that work odd hours are left out of the decisions anyway. Those that are not financially at the top but own some small amount of land with setback rules can'tdo much with it. In conclusion we should be working toward less goverment involvement instead of more. Time to get off my soapbox and go to work. I will check out the toilet on my way by Bi Rite.
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zippitydoodah
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Posted: Jun 28th, 2006 06:15 pm |
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macca wrote:
"surely" you'd both agree this is not typical of Stokesdale...♥♥♥
I hope it's not typical, but don't call me Shirley... 
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S. Smith
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Posted: Jun 28th, 2006 06:17 pm |
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I'm trying to figure out where you come down on the scenic corridor issue. Do I understand that ff12 is against it and ervinjo is for it?
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ervinjo
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Posted: Jun 28th, 2006 08:00 pm |
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| Ervinjo is for it. Anything to help the township's appearances and help with economic development is welcome in my book.
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Posted: Jun 28th, 2006 08:41 pm |
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ff12 wrote: I do not want junk sitting around everywhere either, there needs to be more maybe someone should ask why the toilet is there and maybe they would move it. That still does not in my opinion allow others to enforce their will on property owners who have decided to hold their property as is until they feel it is time to sell, develop, farm it, commercially develop itor leave it natural. Those that work odd hours are left out of the decisions anyway. Those that are not financially at the top but own some small amount of land with setback rules can'tdo much with it. In conclusion we should be working toward less goverment involvement instead of more. Time to get off my soapbox and go to work. I will check out the toilet on my way by Bi Rite.
I do understand your point of view. Individuals who are not able to participate in voting or other committee involvement should be able to employ proxy voting or other such means to facilitate their participation. The lack of doing so would allow for the feeling of being slighted or overlooked. The conservative stance of less government involvement is short sighted and not at all practicle in this day and age.
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Vicki White-Lawrence
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Posted: Jun 28th, 2006 11:34 pm |
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ervinjo wrote:
ff12 wrote: I do not want junk sitting around everywhere either, there needs to be more maybe someone should ask why the toilet is there and maybe they would move it. That still does not in my opinion allow others to enforce their will on property owners who have decided to hold their property as is until they feel it is time to sell, develop, farm it, commercially develop itor leave it natural. Those that work odd hours are left out of the decisions anyway. Those that are not financially at the top but own some small amount of land with setback rules can'tdo much with it. In conclusion we should be working toward less goverment involvement instead of more. Time to get off my soapbox and go to work. I will check out the toilet on my way by Bi Rite.
I do understand your point of view. Individuals who are not able to participate in voting or other committee involvement should be able to employ proxy voting or other such means to facilitate their participation. The lack of doing so would allow for the feeling of being slighted or overlooked. The conservative stance of less government involvement is short sighted and not at all practicle in this day and age.
Changes to ordinances require public hearings, which must be advertised a certain legal way by the town. These are run at least twice prior to the hearing. In most cases, the Northwest Observer also runs a listing of upcoming public hearings. Residents are given time to speak in favor of or in opposition to what is being considered. People who are not able to attend the hearings could send in written comments and ask that they be given to Council and incorporated into the minutes. Correspondence could be sent to the town via the postal system, dropped off at town hall or via e-mails to Council members. I would also include the town clerk in the e-mail since she is the one who puts together all of the information for the meetings. It seems that Council members are also receptive to citizens calling them to express their opinions.
In terms of not being able to participate because of unusual hours, some committees meet during the day. Anyone interested in serving on committees could fill out an application at town hall. Hope this helps!
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Posted: Jun 29th, 2006 12:54 pm |
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Thanks for the explanation, Vicki. A scenic corridor doesn't mean you can't use your land. Just certain things would not be allowed. Now, you would have a pretty good setback for building a structure, and certain materials might not be allowed. I believe the corridor width in Stokesdale is 900 ft. In Oak Ridge and Summerfield, it is 1,500 ft. Generally things like billboards are not allowed in a scenic corridor.
Since she is more familiar with Stokesdale's new ordinance, maybe Vicki could explain more specifically what is allowed.
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zippitydoodah
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Posted: Jun 29th, 2006 01:00 pm |
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Do you really want people to be able to have a toilet sitting in their yard where everybody can see it???? I don't want the "Scenic Coridor Police" knocking on everybody's door telling people what they can and cant have, but come on. Stokesdale doesn't want to be known as Podunkville.....
You might see it was Big Brother Government stepping in even more, telling what we can and cant do in our own yards. I see it as trying to keep the main roads thru the town attractive and scenic.
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Posted: Jun 30th, 2006 12:30 am |
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| This reminds me of my old neighborhood & their "covenance" that was about 3" thick! We were supposed to get approval from an "architechual committee" to plant seasonal flowers or trees! Talk about "Big Brother".... there were so many rules I didn't feel that my property was actually mine. I am not in favor of too much government just for these reasons.
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ff12
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Posted: Jun 30th, 2006 04:35 am |
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Thank's to Vickie for letting me in on some of the ways participation was possible without being there in person. I appreciate it. Wouldn't public nuisance laws prevent toilets in yards and health dept rules take care junk sitting around ie;mosquito breeding? I am not a contractor so I do not know the answer but doesn't building codes cover enough, surely you can't build a shack to live in these days.
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ervinjo
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Posted: Jun 30th, 2006 12:10 pm |
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DToney wrote: This reminds me of my old neighborhood & their "covenance" that was about 3" thick! We were supposed to get approval from an "architechual committee" to plant seasonal flowers or trees! Talk about "Big Brother".... there were so many rules I didn't feel that my property was actually mine. I am not in favor of too much government just for these reasons.
In these situations you are made aware of the Restrictive Covenants prior to the purchase of the property. These covenants are in the best interest of the home owners and help each owner by protecting their investments. This is a very good comparison to what the scenic corridor would be trying to provide for this area.
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Vicki White-Lawrence
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Posted: Jun 30th, 2006 01:22 pm |
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I'll be glad to address Stokesdale's Scenic Corridor portion of its development ordinance. It was originally proposed as part of the Future Land Use Plan for the town. A citizen group, representing all areas of the town, was appointed by Council and worked on the Plan for nearly 2 years before presenting it to Town Council. Council adopted it in September 2001, although the Scenic Corridor restrictions were not enacted until this spring. Council members had discussed them before but had not adopted them because of opposition presented at meetings.
This spring another citizen committee was appointed by Council to review the Stokesdale ordinances and it again recommended the Scenic Corridor be addressed.
The Scenic Corridor is along the major roads that go through Stokesdale -- Highways 158, 68 and 65. A small portion of Highway 220 is also included. The corridor itself is a 900 foot area on either side of the road, measured from the center line of the road.
Basically the ordinance says that building materials in the scenic corridor (or at least the portion of the building visible from the road) must be brick, stone, wood or some other natural material. The same goes for fences. Signs cannot be more than 6 feet high or measure more than 50 square feet total. These ordinances apply only to new development, so farmland and buildings already in existence aren't affected as long as they are left as they are. Fencing requirements aren't applied to farmland either.
In addition to building materials, the ordinance addresses placement of such things as gas pumps and drive-thru windows -- they must be at the rear of buildings. There are also requirements about providing buffers around buildings using plants. All of this is to make the entire area more attractive and should help enhance the area.
If anyone has a complaint about an area, they can file that complaint with Town Hall. Once the complaint is received, an enforcement officer from Guilford County would contact the property owner and issue citations as needed. This includes abandoned vehicles, parking commercial vehicles in residential areas, and would certainly include a bathroom fixture in a yard, I would think. Neighbors may sometimes think they just have to tolerate some of these things when all it might take is making an official complaint about it. During some recent comments from residents attending a Council meeting, it seems that there are some residents who are operating commercial businesses in residential areas. Neighbors of some of these indicated they planned to issue official complaints. Sometimes it's just a matter of making the right people aware of what is going on.
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Posted: Jul 1st, 2006 02:20 pm |
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| A metal building (think Morton buildings) are some of the best looking buildings being built today. Metal is a natural material , it comes from the ground , just as bricks come from sand. So do we ban brick houses or do we allow metal buildings? What if someone wanted to build chicken , turkey, or hog houses , most of these are metal and wood? I only bring this up because some do not want any more home development, leave it agriculture and/or rural. Besides you can make a living on less land with that type of ag. development. Last edited on Jul 1st, 2006 02:25 pm by ff12
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Posted: Jul 3rd, 2006 05:29 pm |
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I'm not sure about your interpretation of metal buildings, ff12. Besides, as I'm understanding it, it's not that necessarily that you can't have it, but it can't be seen from the road.
Again, Vicki (or somebody more knowledgable than me) will probably need to address this, but could you have a metal building, provided that something camouflages it from the road? (i.e., a wooden privacy fence, landscaping, etc. Of course, we might get into the "berms vs. no berms" argument again, but that's okay.)
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Vicki White-Lawrence
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Posted: Jul 3rd, 2006 07:31 pm |
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| Sandra, I think you are right. It is my understanding that it could be a metal building as long as other conditions are met. This means a change in the facade every so many feet as well as using something to shield it from view from the road.
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