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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jan 16th, 2007 03:28 am |
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DOGGETTJA wrote: Did anybody else read in the Sunday N @R the full context of her speech? I absolutely agree with what she is saying and understand her analogy.
Jane (and Everyone), here is a link to the story in yesterday's Greensboro News & Record:
http://blog.news-record.com/staff/outloud/archives/2007/01/deena_hayes_rig.html
(Jane, I am assuming that this is the story you were referring to in your earlier post?)
Last edited on Jan 16th, 2007 03:31 am by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jan 16th, 2007 07:00 pm |
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I read the article, I saw it on TV, and I spoke to some of those in attendance. All of those came away with the same impression I had... it was a really poor choice of words from someone who has a history of bringing race into an educational issue for the sake of bringing race into the issue. It did nothing to with education. The responsibility of a BOE member is to advocate for ALL students. She stated that she would immediately vote to disband the VSN program during her statement. That threatened vote had no basis other than her own racial prejudice when the program - regardless of where it's housed, regardless of who it serves - DOES, in fact, address the needs of some students far better than any viable alternative. If she has an issue with those that administer the program as she alluded to, she should have directed her comments towards her employee, Dr. Grier, and his administrators - rather than the program, the chosen location, the parents, and the students.
Probably stepping knee deep into this one again, but here goes.
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:05 am |
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I believe then we all need to really take a look at some of our "programs" and other alternatives for educating our children. SCALE and JDRC are two of the worse educational programs that I have seen in a while. While we are shipping students, mostly black students, to these programs without monetary support and or support from Guilford County Schools, we need to ask ourselves this questions; What is the purpose and future of these programs? How will they help my child, if needed? To me they are storage places for children that have been victims of a system that is spawn to breed kids on college tracts. My news to all of us. All of our children will not attend college, it is just that simple. Do we give up on trying to get them there, I would say no, but structuring our schools to press out college bound kids is asking too much and have caused many to fall by the wayside. I cant blame it on the system as a whole, but I can say this. There are many late after school programs and tutorials that will fit the need of single parenting families, or poor parents who have low paying jobs that work late hours, and who can not and do not have the ability to support their children during the daytime hours. Most can not even take off a day, due to economic stresses. So I would say, yes, we still have a racial problem within our system, both racial and economic. They may go together to create the same.
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 12:30 am |
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gotobeme wrote: So I would say, yes, we still have a racial problem within our system, both racial and economic. They may go together to create the same.
We still have a 'problem'* in our society in accepting racial differences (as well as other differences from our own in lifestyle, culture and religion) so why pretend it doesn't extend into our schools and every other institution within the larger community of man.
*("racial problem")
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Posted: Jan 17th, 2007 06:15 pm |
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AMEN!!! Don't get me wrong - I want to support the college-bound students and see them excel. However, the vast majority of these students are going to college not because of the GCS system, but in spite of it. The place where the schools can make a real difference is with training those not college bound for the future as a productive member of society. Every doctor and lawyer and engineer will at some time need a auto mechanic, a plumber, electrician, construction worker, cook, and a host of other honorable professionals to fill. Why aren't we putting time, programs, and money resources on these students? That's where the greatest impact on our society will occur.
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My news to all of us. All of our children will not attend college, it is just that simple. Do we give up on trying to get them there, I would say no, but structuring our schools to press out college bound kids is asking too much and have caused many to fall by the wayside
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Posted: Jan 18th, 2007 09:02 am |
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‘We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are.’
The Talmud. The collection of Jewish oral tradition that interprets the Torah.
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Posted: Jan 31st, 2007 02:26 pm |
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I really can't speak on the SCALE and other programs like that because I don't have the knowledge or information.
But I would say that GCS actually is putting some money toward programs for kids who aren't going to college. The Middle College program is great (my daughter graduated last year from MCET - the Middle College of Entertainment Technology at GTCC in High Point). I feel like the different magnet schools that are being offered are a wonderful alternative for kids who want to specialize in specific areas. They can get work experience and/or college credits while in high school (at no cost). Some of the programs allow kids to be in classes 2-3 days a week and get training or work experience on the other days.
I think GCS is beginning to look at different ways to approach high school and realizing that one size truly does not fit all.
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Posted: Jan 31st, 2007 09:06 pm |
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Agreed. I think there are some very good programs in GCS. However, should GCS be spending money on programs to get kids college credits? The vast majority of those in these classes are going to college. Why put money into those programs? Job/Career training for those that aren't going off to college is a far more beneficial use of the tax dollars to the students and the community.
As for magnet programs, they are nice, but once again is that really where the money needs to be spent? How about let's focus on basic education, getting kids educated, and prepare them to become a productive member of society.
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