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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 02:39 am |
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Stokesdale citizens are laughing their butts off over here over this whole fiasco and the Northwest Observer doesn't have a clue.
For whatever reason the NWO doesn't want the truth told nor do they want you to hear the truth.
Last edited on Aug 21st, 2007 12:52 pm by Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 02:48 am |
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Someone please give me an idea as to how I can flame an idea without telling all about why I have an idea as to why I don't like the idea in the first place.
If you don't like this idea, then I have an idea all you can post is: "this idea stinks".
Never mind that you have a particular reason or idea as to why the idea is a putrid idea.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 03:13 am |
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Jim & Cuz,
At the risk of drawing fire from you (and maybe an "off-topic" from the Moderators), I would like to know why you want to be so critical of an effort to improve our community. I don't know who "Cuz" is, but I know Jim has done things he thought would improve our community. I don't recall seeing people on this forum making fun and being rude about your efforts.
I for one think that more is being done right now in a concerted effort than has ever been done on an ongoing basis to see what can be done to get a new post office for Stokesdale. We have a relative newcomer to our town who got it going. Some other folks then jumped on the bandwagon. Yes, they happen to be running for office, but that doesn't mean they can't be involved in this project. Are their motives pure or are they just seeking election to town council? Frankly, I don't care if it helps us get a new post office.
I think you are missing the point the Super Moderator is trying to make. If you want to start a new thread or forum or whatever the correct terminology is to discuss some of these other theories, then do it, but this section of the NWO forum is to discuss "New Stokesdale Post Office."
I write for the paper and know that we aren't trying to keep the truth from anyone. I believe we're just trying to keep a handle on a forum that is part of our web site.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 03:14 am |
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I would like to think I have done a few things in my lifetime to enhance life in this community, Vicki, and if you will look at ALL of my posts on this topic, you will see I am a big supporter of this effort.
What I had to say about the OP, was not worthy of "the sword", and since it was done in this forum, I felt I needed to address it here.
I have started a new forum for further discussion, or not, on that subject.
Long live the postal brigade. Karma to anyone with ulterior motives.
Last edited on Aug 21st, 2007 03:35 am by CUZ
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Jim Flynt
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 03:16 am |
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Vicki: Are you suggesting that if we start a new forum topic, we will be allowed to discuss the actual voting records and actual minutes of the Stokesdale Town Council to show that the claims being made by at least one of the candidates running for office are nothing more than either mendacious deceit or the imagination of their own mind?
I will be more than delighted to explain more fully my position on a new post office for Stokesdale as well as to suggest why the current efforts are seen by most Stokesdale citizens as nothing more than a political scheme by two desperate candidates.
I do not doubt for one minute Eileen's sincerity and pure at heart motives in trying to get a new post office for Stokesdale. Yet as I have suggested to her in several emails, she is simply caught up under the wrong circumstances at the wrong time by the wrong people operating a scheme for the wrong reasons.
Don't take my word for it: Come up to the Family Diner for breakfast any morning and you will get an earful from citizens and voters who see these shenanigans the same way Cuz and I do and happen to agree.
Or simply ask the incumbent town council members and the other candidates for town council what they think.
You and the Northwest Observer can count on one thing: The truth will be told about this issue regardless of whether or not the truth can be posted online on the NWO Forum. (And the truth includes the past voting records of former incumbents and the official minutes of the Stokesdale Town Council).
As I said before: Thank God for the US Mail.
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Vicki White-Lawrence
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 03:46 am |
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Sorry to take so long to respond. My computer is being slow tonight.
Again, I don't understand why anyone would criticize whatever efforts are going on to get a much-needed new post office for our town. I don't think anyone would deny we need one. It's small for customers as well as employees; there is not enough parking; employee vehicles from the post office as well as other businesses in that strip of buildings have to be moved in order to allow large USPS trucks to deliver mail to the post office and it's downright dangerous just trying to get in and out of the parking lot.
In terms of using the forum to prove that someone is misrepresenting him or herself, I'm not the person to determine that. All I can do is direct you to the forum rules.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 03:54 am |
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Perhaps if the Northwest Observer sent an unbiased observer or reporter out to see how Stokesdale citizens view the political motives of the proponents, the Northwest Observer would understand what Cuz and I are saying.
I won't hold my breath in the meantime however..........
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 04:11 am |
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Vicki White-Lawrence wrote: In terms of using the forum to prove that someone is misrepresenting him or herself, I'm not the person to determine that. All I can do is direct you to the forum rules.
I guess it is OK under the NWO Forum rules to discuss misrepresentation by elected officials or point out their voting records as long as those elected officials have a last name of Crawford or Strickland.
Obviously, under those very same NWO Forum rules, any other elected official is hands off for discussion of their record.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 12:12 pm |
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There was a fellow a few years back that lived over on the south side of the Greensboro city limits. It was said the fellow allowed his property to become run-down and he ran afoul of county ordinance somehow or the other with the effect being that the county attempted to jail him/confiscate his land/fine him or some combination or these; I really don't recall the details too clearly. What I do remember is that the property owner had some legitimate complaints about the way his case was handled. The downside to this story, though, is that the fellow behaved so erratically, so irrationally (including fake bomb threat to the county commisioners) that his position was marginalized. Most folks just assumed he was crazy, didn't believe anything he said, and did not support him in any way.
Jim, I'm afraid all this "the sky is falling" talk of yours is heading in that direction; I know it seems to creep into any topic you post on and detracts from the legitimate discussion. Please get a grip.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 12:16 pm |
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If anyone would like to read the posts which were edited or removed last night by Steve Atkins under this thread as well as the Summerfield Town Council thread, please send me your email address and I will forward copies of all edited/removed posts. Then you can decide for yourself whether or not these posts were in violation of the NWO Forum user's agreement.
And I continue to maintain, as I have in the past, that there is a huge and horrible conflict of interest for the Northwest Observer to continue to allow this individual to serve as a Moderator of this Forum, given his position as head of Friends For Summerfield.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 12:26 pm |
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 12:28 pm |
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Hairbrush, I was born at night. I just wasn't born last night.
Fairytales are for children.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 12:49 pm |
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Possumhund wrote: Jim, I'm afraid all this "the sky is falling" talk of yours is heading in that direction;
Possum, I have never suggested that the sky is falling. Either literally, figuratively or metaphorically.
What both Cuz and I did suggest, was that a reading of the official minutes and the voting records of the Stokesdale Town Council does not support the claims being made by a former incumbent on the STC with regards to any public efforts on his part to bring a new post office to Stokesdale. When both Cuz and I made posts to such effect last night, those posts were removed and castigated as flaming an individual rather than idea.
Yesterday morning at breakfast, several Stokesdale citizens who did attend the last Stokesdale Town Council meeting described the presentation by the proponents of this petition drive as weak, confusing, rambling and unfocused. One current TC member went so far as to describe the petition presentation as a complete 'fiasco'. I wasn't there at that meeting, but these folks were, and I respect their opinions.
Obviously, every citizen of Stokesdale, myself included, wishes for a new post office for this community. No individual and no political candidate owns this issue. Nor will or should any political candidate ultimately be able to take sole credit when the postal service ultimately decides to move on this issue. No doubt, years from now (the current lease is in place through 2010).
No matter which course of action or process is followed, a new post office for Stokesdale is still years away, and I personally believe that once Election Day has come and gone, so too will the current participation by a couple of political candidates evaporate as well. There simply is no history of support or activism on their parts save and except in the current election cycle.
Sadly, while the initial idea was a good one, the idea and efforts were high-jacked by a couple of desperate political candidates trying to establish name recognition and visibility amidst the current town council election cycle, and in so doing, they corrupted what should have been a larger non-partisan and non-political community wide effort.
Possum I think if you will get out during the week and talk with a few Stokesdale citizens, you will find great support for a new post office, yet correspondingly, a far greater suspicion of the political motives of some of the leaders of this petition drive.
That was all I was trying to say and suggest last night, and due to an out of control moderator, that simple message was not allowed to stay posted nor to be heard.
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 01:41 pm |
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It looks like this forum is getting "Off Topic" again, which seems to be at least part of the problem last night.
It seems to me that we, as individuals, as a town, as consumers of the services provided by a post office, should explore every option available to try to get the attention of the U.S. Postal Service. I think it's obvious to everyone out here that we could definitely benefit from a new facility, and it is frustrating when we see other communities get them while we continue to be told there is no funding for one. Last edited on Aug 21st, 2007 01:45 pm by macca
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Posted: Aug 21st, 2007 02:33 pm |
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Hairbrush wrote: Jim, Steve no longer serves as moderator and hasn't for awhile. He stepped down because he felt that he could no longer be a moderator and be involved in the friends for summerfield. I don't remember what thread he stated that one. I don't know who the super moderator is now, but it is not Steve.
This is off topic but it is to support Hairbrush and Steve as no longer Super Moderator:
Steve Adkins wrote:
The recent chain of events in Summerfield, along with my position as
chairman of the Friends For Summerfield group, has made it increasingly
challenging for me to ride the fine line between the SuperModerator, which should
be serving in an impartial capacity, and a Participant. There are often
time comments I would like to make but simply cannot, and would rather be
able to voice my opinions freely as a Member.
I've discussed this with Patti Stokes & a few others, and feel it would be
best if I stepped out of the SuperModerator role. Therefore in the not too
distant future, the SuperModerator title under my name will be changing to
Member, and I will no longer be calling the "off topics" and the "policy
violations".
We have agreed that the role of the SuperModerator should be primarily to
monitor the forum comments to ensure they are on topic and adhering to our
forum rules, notify participants of policy violations, and to get rid of
spammers.
The forum's maturity over the past 18 months has been great, and it's
overall impact in the community equally great. It's great to be part of
such a successful communication vehicle. Let's continue to watch it grow
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Steve
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